Originally Posted by
Andre
Originally Posted by
Max Power
Originally Posted by
Andre
Yeah but wars Max wheres the wars?
Theres no more wars.
Ironically, if you want to see "wars" you have to look to the more UNSKILLED boxers.
Skilled boxers=technical fight
Unskilled boxers=war
My favourite "war" was Bowe vs Holyfield trilogy.
Because Holyfield was too small to nullify Bowe and liked to abandon skills to slug it out often anyway.
And Bowe did not have the level of skill necessary to utilise his height and keep Holyfield at the end of his jab. Bowe- often credited with his infighting double threat ability, should be equally discredited with having to resort to it.
What ensues is a slug fest. Enabled of course because they both possessed very solid chins of course.
Unskilled boxers=war
I'd reword that if it was me, It does occur, but it isnt a monopolizing factor.
Balls and the decision to not be controlled also equals war.
I wouldnt call Tua and Ibeabuchi unskilled or Morrales or Barrera,or Ali or most of his warring partners through the years either for that matter.
Maybe the easy knock outs on the way for these men you can call unskilled but that is also comparative.
Tua was very unskilled, he was a basic tanker with a hard chin and hard punch and that is about it as far as skills go.
Ali was a fundamentally very unskilled boxer, lacking in basic fight reflexes and technical ability. He made up for it with great stamina always, height and speed when he was younger and later on, chin and experience.
Ali's warring partner Frazier was about as skilless as can be like Tua (without the chin or the punch though).
Ibeabuchi had fundamental skills but nothing more and nothing "controlling", he boxed a bit and slugged too and often found himself inside. He could not control Byrd or Tua properly.
Morales and Barera, I grant you are well rounded fighters. They fight in limit weight division where it is necessary for success to be well rounded. Also they fight in rather light divisions where the punches are more bareable, thus enabling them to participate in that sort of fight to a much greater degree than a HW.
Hypothetically Andre, if we take one of our modern technically great fighters like Klitschko or Haye and we gave them first rate chins (assuming they are glass jawed now like many claim), how much punishment or hard punches do you really think they could take?
I mean Arreola was a very tough guy, extremely hard chinned but one really cracker punch from Stiverne and he was done the moment that first one landed really.
The power of the modern HW division I believe is now so great that even the hardest of chins will be cracked by the hardest of punches.
And even if they had a titanium chin that could withstand any slug fest with the hardest hitters, why the hell would they want to? When they can soundly outbox their opponents?
Nobody WANTS to get punched in the face as far as I am aware! The brawlers that enter into this stuff do it because it's the only way they CAN do it at the time.
I am certain that top level professional boxers did not routinely abandon their skills to slug it out merely for the entertainment of the spectators. That doesn't ring true.
I think it was an acceptable risk in previous HW eras (the Ali era, the Louis era), because the punches were much weaker. You get the feeling when watching these fights that an ordinary man could withstand a lot of those shots.
Not so today, you can almost feel some of todays shots and most HW's know they cannot be taking those kinds of shots in their time.
The days of taking a hundred shots to land ten of your own are over I am afraid, and it's only going to get worse.. OR better, depending on how you look at it.
I like action too. But I also appreciate real skills as well.
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