Has there ever been?

[SimonH]

JACK JOHNSON dominated his era and towards the end of his reighn he took dives as Bert points out. he dived and was supposedly more concerned with the sun in his eyes then laying there knocked out on the ground.

He was decked by Ketchel; Jim Johnson agreed to carry him, when he injured his arm; and although Johnson always stated he dived against Willard, with 'that' picture to back him up; when the film of the fight was found, it clearly shows Johnson passing out

[img width=700 height=444]http://www.antekprizering.com/willardkojohnsonpc1104.jpeg[/img]

[Kev]

Thanks for the replies guys, I guess according to my strict criteria no fighter meets those requirements.

Monzon lost early in his career, Lopez was put down and got a draw so he's out. Thankfully Sven Ottke is out cos he drew too.

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

James Jeffries was knocked out by Johnson so he's out too.

There must be somebody somewhere though...................

[Snakey]

Thanks for the replies guys, I guess according to my strict criteria no fighter meets those requirements.

Monzon lost early in his career, Lopez was put down and got a draw so he's out. Thankfully Sven Ottke is out cos he drew too.

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

James Jeffries was knocked out by Johnson so he's out too.

There must be somebody somewhere though...................

No ottke isnt out just coz of that but coz he had several controversial decisions

[Kev]

Thanks for the replies guys, I guess according to my strict criteria no fighter meets those requirements.

Monzon lost early in his career, Lopez was put down and got a draw so he's out. Thankfully Sven Ottke is out cos he drew too.

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

James Jeffries was knocked out by Johnson so he's out too.

There must be somebody somewhere though...................

No ottke isnt out just coz of that but coz he had several controversial decisions

Great as long as he's OUT I'm happy. I'm just glad Valuev's win over Ruiz was so contrversial as else he could have been the only fighter that currently fit my criteria

[Kev]

JACK JOHNSON dominated his era and towards the end of his reighn he took dives as Bert points out. he dived and was supposedly more concerned with the sun in his eyes then laying there knocked out on the ground.

He was decked by Ketchel; Jim Johnson agreed to carry him, when he injured his arm; and although Johnson always stated he dived against Willard, with 'that' picture to back him up; when the film of the fight was found, it clearly shows Johnson passing out

[img width=700 height=444]http://www.antekprizering.com/willardkojohnsonpc1104.jpeg[/img]

I agree he defiintely looked out. I've seen highlights of that fight and a few others. My favourite Johnson fight was against fireman Jim Flynn, where it was quite literally a tall man beating a midget by holding his head at arms length with one hand and punching him repeatedly in the face with another

Cant belive Flynn later KO's Dempsey in one round

[Fenster]

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

I'd be more surprised if there was. In other sports, greats, and dominant forces of their eras, can get beat numerous times and have numerous "off" nights. Obviously in boxing you get punished in the most severe way when having an "off" night and as history shows they are pretty much unavoidable.

[Kev]

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

I'd be more surprised if there was. In other sports, greats, and dominant forces of their eras, can get beat numerous times and have numerous "off" nights. Obviously in boxing you get punished in the most severe way when having an "off" night and as history shows they are pretty much unavoidable.

Yeah but you would think someone would have done it. I'm not saying they have to knock out every fighter, just never get knocked down and to win every fight decisively.

You would think that someone in the last 100 years or so must have done it. Ricardo Lopez seems to have fallen short based on only one fight so he was the closest so far.

[p4pking]

It would be like asking if there is an NBA player who has never shot an airball.

[Mr. Cosell]

I think you have to go back to the late 90's in the WCW... there was this guy named Goldberg...

[Bigsexy]

Ricardo Lopez was droppedd and i mean dropped hard by an uppercut by Rosendo Alvarez in their first fight which was stoped because of a headbutt, it went to the score cards and was declared a draw. Ricardo later avenged that lost in their second fight.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Thanks for the replies guys, I guess according to my strict criteria no fighter meets those requirements.

Monzon lost early in his career, Lopez was put down and got a draw so he's out. Thankfully Sven Ottke is out cos he drew too.

I'm just suprised that there really has probably never been anybody who meets the criteria.

James Jeffries was knocked out by Johnson so he's out too.

There must be somebody somewhere though...................

No ottke isnt out just coz of that but coz he had several controversial decisions

Great as long as he's OUT I'm happy. I'm just glad Valuev's win over Ruiz was so contrversial as else he could have been the only fighter that currently fit my criteria

Cut Sven Ottke some slack. I just look at his record and by his 17th fight he had beaten Charles Brewer, Thomas Tate and Glen Johnson, those are names, and for 17 fights? Most fighters don't face or beat that kind of opposition until their 25th fight or 29th

[TheBESTP4P]

JACK JOHNSON dominated his era and towards the end of his reighn he took dives as Bert points out. he dived and was supposedly more concerned with the sun in his eyes then laying there knocked out on the ground.

He was decked by Ketchel; Jim Johnson agreed to carry him, when he injured his arm; and although Johnson always stated he dived against Willard, with 'that' picture to back him up; when the film of the fight was found, it clearly shows Johnson passing out

[img width=700 height=444]http://www.antekprizering.com/willardkojohnsonpc1104.jpeg[/img]

Cool Click for the pic thats def a historical PIMP pic, but i was saying early that Bert claimed that he was covering his eyes from the sun, shiiiiiit i wasnt there and no one else was there on this forum unless they are like 100yrs old haahha.

[SalTheButcher]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

[mucho testosterone]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

Why wouldn't she just stay with the payoff and finish watching the fight.

You mean that this guy took dives for money and people still honor him

Amazing

[mucho testosterone]

Well, Roy Jones comes close to your description...
Too bad he lost

That would have been my pick.