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[NuthaPug]

What I want to know is what was the basis, besides sheer imaginative speculation, for anyone reasoning that DLH was not hungry, or was rusty or was too old?

Not a thing. Not a gosh-durn thing. :P

Come on, that's not fair. Rusty - hadn't fought a fight in a year and a half. Too old - lost all three of the fights he'd fought in the last 3 years (because he didn't beat Sturm).

The dumb move was going from that to predicting that a hand-picked idiot who can't fight would have a shot at beating ODH anyway. I still think Oscar's past his prime--but I'd take a past-his-prime ODH every single time against a non-elite, undisciplined, no-defense talker like Mayorga.

Well, I think it's fair.

What makes a person rusty? The inability to remember what it's like in the ring when you are training and sparring, so that the 'real deal' seems strange to you. Someone with DLH's experience should not experience such rust even after an extended layoff.

Old: 33 isn't young, but it's not old yet, not if you haven't been beat up a lot. In case you haven't, DLH hasn't been beat up too awful much over the years.

Lost his last three fights? Well, Hopkins ... let it go. It can't count seriously against DLH. He didn't just step up in weight; he stepped up to Hopkins at the same time. Jones stepped up to heavy and won, but it was against a Ruiz, not against Lewis.

Against Sturm ... yeah, it was sloppy. He was sloppy. Had he come in better prepared it would have been different.

Against Mosely ... well, he lost by 2 points on each card in a 12-round UD. He lost to Mosely also in 2000 - six years ago - in a roughly similarly close fight. Was he past his prime then, too, at 27 or so? No? Then why'd he lose to Mosely in a close fight when he was at his prime and in just as close a fight when he was "past" his prime? Huh? Explain it, please!

It's just too easy to pour some numbers and some faulty logic into a blender and come out with "boxing analysis."

I think it was legitimate to <u>wonder</u> about age and ring rust, but to assume ... nothing but such things could have explained a Mayorga win. And if there was significant rust or age, and Mayorga was able to slip in and pound him - then the Mayorga win was possible, even if he doesn't compare to what DLH once was. (Though "still is" ends up being the case, doesn't it?)

So in my book you really haven't got much to stand on when you say that DLH is past his prime. Sure, he's 33, so he must be. But it doesn't look like it matters a whole lot, does it?

[Unknowndonor]

I got your back Starr. Can't pick em all. I know I can't. But I did pick the Kentucky Derby, and won $800.00.

[Gandalf]

I got your back Starr. Can't pick em all. I know I can't. But I did pick the Kentucky Derby, and won $800.00.

ive just gone plain dotty with my recent picks.....

[Purist]

Could i also ask

How come you keep saying to Wacko your leaving.....

yet never do, and find it neccesary to keep digging yourself a hole........because your boy lost?

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

[shza]

What I want to know is what was the basis, besides sheer imaginative speculation, for anyone reasoning that DLH was not hungry, or was rusty or was too old?

Not a thing. Not a gosh-durn thing. :P

Come on, that's not fair. Rusty - hadn't fought a fight in a year and a half. Too old - lost all three of the fights he'd fought in the last 3 years (because he didn't beat Sturm).

The dumb move was going from that to predicting that a hand-picked idiot who can't fight would have a shot at beating ODH anyway. I still think Oscar's past his prime--but I'd take a past-his-prime ODH every single time against a non-elite, undisciplined, no-defense talker like Mayorga.

Against Sturm ... yeah, it was sloppy. He was sloppy. Had he come in better prepared it would have been different.

You do seem to concede that this performance may raise some legitimate questions (chief among them the one begged by your statement, viz., "did he retain the ability to come in better prepared?"). And he didn't do anything to erase these questions by losing against B-Hop, regardless of whether that shouldn't be counted against him because he moved up in weight. And then the next fight was Mayorga.

I think it was legitimate to <u>wonder</u> about age and ring rust, but to assume ... nothing but such things could have explained a Mayorga win. And if there was significant rust or age, and Mayorga was able to slip in and pound him - then the Mayorga win was possible, even if he doesn't compare to what DLH once was. (Though "still is" ends up being the case, doesn't it?)

That's all I thought we were talking about--"wondering." Wondering how far past his prime Oscar is now. That's all I was talking about anyway. Note my explicit statement in the post you were responding to that no matter how much you wondered about this, you still shouldn't have been picking Mayorga even 1 out of 10 against ODH, because the guy can't fight (and because there's no way Oscar's THAT far past his prime yet).

So in my book you really haven't got much to stand on when you say that DLH is past his prime. Sure, he's 33, so he must be. But it doesn't look like it matters a whole lot, does it?

You'll note that I didn't mention his age. 33 is not old. Mayweather is 29. Winky is 34. Oscar's age in years was never the point. As far as whether his pre-Mayorga, uh, slump, "matters a whole lot," I think we'll have to wait until he fights someone as good as the people he was losing to before, rather than a hand-picked chump with zero defense who telegraphs all of his punches. How beating Ricardo Mayorga--who was on exactly no one's p4p list, or general list of elite fighters--suddenly proves that ODH can handle Winky or PBF (as numerous posters have said on these boards) is beyond me. But then again:

It's just too easy to throw some numbers and some faulty logic into a blender and come up with "boxing analysis."

[shza]

Could i also ask

How come you keep saying to Wacko your leaving.....

yet never do, and find it neccesary to keep digging yourself a hole........because your boy lost?

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

people can be legendary for a lot of reasons--being constantly wrong and making terrible arguments, for instance. stop talking about it and just leave. please.

[p4pking]

Could i also ask

How come you keep saying to Wacko your leaving.....

yet never do, and find it neccesary to keep digging yourself a hole........because your boy lost?

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

and you ask him if he has nothing better to do than post one thread.. .

[B@rr3r@]

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

When?

Ive never PMed you, if the admins can check, they will be able to prove....

I wont be safe if you leave?

Safe from what exactly, this is the internet...

A legend on a internet forum? WOW! Please allow me to bow down, if thats the pride you take in your life being a legend of a internet forum, well more fool you.....


I dont want to ask Wacko how rough you can get, what you and Wacko do, and how rough you get should be kept behind closed doors.....


If I am an easy pass, why do you keep getting it WRONG!


But then again, your the legend of the forum........

[Wacko3205]

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

When?

Ive never PMed you, if the admins can check, they will be able to prove....

I wont be safe if you leave?

Safe from what exactly, this is the internet...

A legend on a internet forum? WOW! Please allow me to bow down, if thats the pride you take in your life being a legend of a internet forum, well more fool you.....


I dont want to ask Wacko how rough you can get, what you and Wacko do, and how rough you get should be kept behind closed doors.....


If I am an easy pass, why do you keep getting it WRONG!


But then again, your the legend of the forum........

Alright bitches...stop trying to break out the winky & bring Wacko into this!

Hey...did someone say somethin about breakin out winkies behind closed doors?

In the end...no one person is bigger than the other on the forum. Whether your'e a know it all, a half stepper, or a total douche bag...your'e still a big part of this forum...until you get your ass booted...that being said...

Could you girls, boys, & she-males all let this p!ssing contest go?

We all know that I'm infalliable...but I'm not always right either. Heh heh heh.

Is that how infalliable's spelled?

[BrooklyniteQueen]

I am leaving, and it has nothing to do with who lost or not. Why does it matter to you when I leave? You think you'll be safe because I won't show you to be a fool everytime you try to push me and then PM me apologizing You won't be safe if I leave, not frm the other members, despite what you think, I'm one of the legends of this forum and you're not even on my level. As I go easy on you in every debate, ask wacko how rough I can get you're getting an easy pass.

When?

Ive never PMed you, if the admins can check, they will be able to prove....

I wont be safe if you leave?

Safe from what exactly, this is the internet...

A legend on a internet forum? WOW! Please allow me to bow down, if thats the pride you take in your life being a legend of a internet forum, well more fool you.....


I dont want to ask Wacko how rough you can get, what you and Wacko do, and how rough you get should be kept behind closed doors.....


If I am an easy pass, why do you keep getting it WRONG!


But then again, your the legend of the forum........

Alright bitches...stop trying to break out the winky & bring Wacko into this!

Hey...did someone say somethin about breakin out winkies behind closed doors?

In the end...no one person is bigger than the other on the forum. Whether your'e a know it all, a half stepper, or a total douche bag...your'e still a big part of this forum...until you get your ass booted...that being said...

Could you girls, boys, & she-males all let this p!ssing contest go?

We all know that I'm infalliable...but I'm not always right either. Heh heh heh.

Is that how infalliable's spelled?

This is funny and I think it's spelled infallable. I admire you B@rr3r@ but float carefully, you may be "throwing fuel into the flame" like Mayorga

[B@rr3r@]

I shall float like Oscar Dela Hoya against Ricardo mayorga, near perfectly....

And Wacko, sorry for using your name in sexual inuendoes!

[Wacko3205]

This is funny and I think it's spelled infallable. I admire you B@rr3r@ but float carefully, you may be "throwing fuel into the flame" like Mayorga

Golly...I knew I shoulda used spell check.













































That was supposed to be a weak attempt at humor...I know how to spell...en-fowl-uh-bowl.

[cnote111]

I really enjoy watching ppl blast when there right, and others back peddle when there wrong...I read tons of posts on this forum, and i can honestly say i admire "almost" everyones perspective..

I was rooting for Mayorga, i'm Anti-DLH through and through...Santan himself could be in the blue corner and i still would root against DLH...Thats just who i am...9 times out of 10 i would even catch myself putting money where my mouth is...losing of course, but thats beside the point..

DLH had every tool known to man to beat a very un-impressive BOXER...yea he's a fun brawler to watch, but lets get real, his defense, combinations, and balance were embarressing to everyone rooting for Him...And this is not the fight to glorify ODLH's skills or his career..

Hip hip horray for the DLH fans..but lets just move on from this pitiful matchup....shall we


FOR A QUICK FINAL POINT>>>>>> Most ppl who chose Ricardo WEREN"T picking Mayorga to win, they were hoping for DLH to lose....

Very similar to John Kerry and George Bush....

[B@rr3r@]

Very similar to John Kerry and George Bush....

Dont bring polictics into this or we really will have a debate on our hands!

[Wacko3205]

And Wacko, sorry for using your name in sexual inuendoes!

in-u-end-o!