If you had to pick just one fighting dicslipline

[raleights]

definitley muay thai

If u wanna be a pussy and use a kick in a fight then yeah go with muay thai.

as far as punching technique goes, they are crap and weak imo, well the british are. As far at the kids in Thailand that train since babies, now they are the real deal, still have relitivly weak punches but the elbows make up for that alot.

Havn't been in too many street fights? You do whatever you gotta do to end the fight. As a matter of fact Bas Rutten speaks highly of the groin kick and well... if you trained for the next 30 years you probably wouldn't equal EL GUAPO

If you see someone using Muay Thai and they look weak, blame it on the person not the art.
But thats just me, I know I'll do whatever it takes even if I gotta pull out a firearm.. If I'll use a gun I'll definately use a groin kick. You just havn't reached that warrior mentality yet, no biggie

[Heavy D]

The way I see it, if its an "honor fight", where someone calls you out to fight over something (sleeping with a girlfriend, sister, something to that effect), nut shots are a no no. But if someone jumps me in the streets or in a bar, I wont hesitate to kick him in the nuts, or poke his friggin eyes out. I like to fight fair, but as soon as I get jumped, all the rules go out the friggin window.

[brad4dboxer]

The one thing I would suggest to you is to throw in some wrestling take down defense. If you're a stand up fighter, you better make sure that you know how to keep the fight standing!

I agree.

For my money, if I could be super skilled @ 2 disciplines, I would be a striker with a wrestling background.
Call me old fashioned, but I loved when Mark Coleman could stay out of his opponent's reach, & still had the speed to be able to shoot for a quick takedown & then pound mercilessly for a tap.
Good times.

I would still always respect a Brazilian submission guy from the Gracie camp.
But I prefer the smashing of the face.
Thanks

[raleights]

moreso than mastercard a good sprawl is priceless

[Munkymagic]

Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I used to know a couple of dan grades that worked the door and they literally OWNED every confrontation they found themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.

I train in Judo and Urban Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat. Judo is my support sustem.

My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature. Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.

Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these course. Sudeenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.

In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-empotively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.

Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.

Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until there is f*ck all left to fight about.

Self defece/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.

Thats my two penneth anyway.

[cringer]

The one thing I would suggest to you is to throw in some wrestling take down defense. If you're a stand up fighter, you better make sure that you know how to keep the fight standing!

I agree.

For my money, if I could be super skilled @ 2 disciplines, I would be a striker with a wrestling background.
Call me old fashioned, but I loved when Mark Coleman could stay out of his opponent's reach, & still had the speed to be able to shoot for a quick takedown & then pound mercilessly for a tap.
Good times.

I would still always respect a Brazilian submission guy from the Gracie camp.
But I prefer the smashing of the face.
Thanks

funny you say that about mark Coleman, I seen a match when he fought a former boxer that used kicks on him and stayed out of his range, Coleman was up against the cage scared.

[cringer]

I would go with jeet kune do. Its got alittle bit of everything.

[raleights]

jeet kune do is bruce lee's philosophy of take in all that applies to you and forget the rest

not an artform, just filling ya in

[Von Milash]

The one thing I would suggest to you is to throw in some wrestling take down defense. If you're a stand up fighter, you better make sure that you know how to keep the fight standing!

I agree.

For my money, if I could be super skilled @ 2 disciplines, I would be a striker with a wrestling background.
Call me old fashioned, but I loved when Mark Coleman could stay out of his opponent's reach, & still had the speed to be able to shoot for a quick takedown & then pound mercilessly for a tap.
Good times.

I would still always respect a Brazilian submission guy from the Gracie camp.
But I prefer the smashing of the face.
Thanks

funny you say that about mark Coleman, I seen a match when he fought a former boxer that used kicks on him and stayed out of his range, Coleman was up against the cage scared.

Do you know who the box was?

I was looking at the intro clips by Clinton Woods and I can't help but continuing to think that pound for pound I'll take a boxer in a stand up match over any other disclipline. Take some time to learn a few kicks, a few submissions if it hits the ground, and that to me is one nasty fella.

Thoughts?

[Heavy D]

funny you say that about mark Coleman, I seen a match when he fought a former boxer that used kicks on him and stayed out of his range, Coleman was up against the cage scared.

You probably saw the end of that fight (assuming you mean the one where he gets kicked in the face, his eyes roll back, and he kind of falls blankly to the canvas) which was like half an hour or more into it, and both guys were completely gassed after going all out. It just boiled down to the other guy having better cardio, and being able to bring the big kicks against him without even having to worry. Coleman was against the fence because he was getting too tired to stand.

I don't know much about Judo, but if It's what I think it is (quick, stand up grappling focusing primarily on throws, right?) then it would be a GREAT supplement. Last thing you want to do is go jiujitsu on them and pull guard, only to find your face crushed to a pulp by 10 bikers in steel toe boots. If you could perform a quick throw/slam, its a great way to take someone out of a fight...especially if they have no take down defense and are your typical barroom brawlers.

[Prometheus]

You probably saw the end of that fight (assuming you mean the one where he gets kicked in the face, his eyes roll back, and he kind of falls blankly to the canvas) which was like half an hour or more into it, and both guys were completely gassed after going all out. It just boiled down to the other guy having better cardio, and being able to bring the big kicks against him without even having to worry. Coleman was against the fence because he was getting too tired to stand.

That would have been Coleman's fight with Pete Williams. Pete was not a boxer per se, he was one of Ken Shamrock's Lions Den guys. Just a good all around fighter with good cardio.

[Von Milash]

The last clip. Hopefully the link works. The UFC just aint what she used to be, aint what she used to be, aint what she used to be

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...1AF2D888202230

[cringer]

jeet kune do is bruce lee's philosophy of take in all that applies to you and forget the rest

not an artform, just filling ya in

I know thats exactly why I would use it, use what works

[VictorCharlie]

munky you know of any good Judo books or videos that train without the GI?

[Heavy D]

Yeah, that clip is from the end of an insanely long fight, and Coleman was completely gassed, thats why hes back against the fence and getting pounded.

Hmm...Sherdog has the fight listed as ending at the 13th minute of the 1st round. I could've sworn it was longer than that, but either way, its still just because he was completely gassed.