Whats HAPPENED to the BOXING REFEREES?! STOPPING FIGHTS TOO SOON!!!

[Lionheart Lacy]

NO i wouldn't want nothing to happen to my health.

If i wasn't feeling well, and thought i needed to stop early, then i would, but MY POINT IS, THAT, REFS STOP FIGHTS TOO SOON WHEN A FIGHTER IS USUALLY OK, AND WILLING TO CONTINUE.

[Snakey]

Plus the Ref is the 3rd man in the ring and he knows who has been landing the harder and cleaner effective shots...It could go either way Look at Gatti vs Ward round 9..Jim Lampley was yelling to the Ref "STOP IT FRANK,YOU CAN STOP IT ANYTIME!!!!!ARTURO GATTI'S OUT ON HIS FEET.....FRANK CAPPUCINO'S GONNA LET THEM KEEP GOING!!!!" I mean entertaining fight but what if Gatti Suffered a brain bleed and died then we would of criticized the ref for letting him get hurt.....

These guys have to live outside the ring and have a long productive life...I think the ref shows alot of compassion when they stop a guy from getting his brains beat in unnessasarily especially when they hold them up and hug them....

Yeah it shows how much they care, they throw themselves in the middle of the two fighters and make sure if anyones taking more punishment then it will be the ref. Really like jumping infront of a bullet...id imagine it would hurt if you did that in a fight with a prime tyson in it as he might not stop even though youve jumped in front of them.

[chrisbird13]

NO i wouldn't want nothing to happen to my health.

If i wasn't feeling well, and thought i needed to stop early, then i would, but MY POINT IS, THAT, REFS STOP FIGHTS TOO SOON WHEN A FIGHTER IS USUALLY OK, AND WILLING TO CONTINUE.

Maybe the fighters are usually ok, but I would prefer to see 999 fighters stopped when they could have carried on than see 1 more fighter end up like Michael Watson or g-man.

Just a question, what do you like watching boxing for its skill, or because people get hurt? If you just like seeing people get hurt then stand in fronto of a mirror and punch yourself in the face

[JT Rock]

NO i wouldn't want nothing to happen to my health.

If i wasn't feeling well, and thought i needed to stop early, then i would, but MY POINT IS, THAT, REFS STOP FIGHTS TOO SOON WHEN A FIGHTER IS USUALLY OK, AND WILLING TO CONTINUE.

Maybe the fighters are usually ok, but I would prefer to see 999 fighters stopped when they could have carried on than see 1 more fighter end up like Michael Watson or g-man.

Just a question, what do you like watching boxing for its skill, or because people get hurt? If you just like seeing people get hurt then stand in fronto of a mirror and punch yourself in the face

Funny as Fuk!!! do it up like Jim Carrey in LIAR,LIAR

[trotter]

Seeing people get hurt is NOT why I love boxing. Not one little bit.

I dislike the hurt element of boxing, but I realise that it is part of the game. A part that should be minimised.


I would never ever criticise a referee for stopping a fight, even for a 'bad stoppage' - if they honestly think that a fighter is getting hurt and is at risk, they have a moral obligation to stop the fight.

[bigragu]

NO i wouldn't want nothing to happen to my health.

If i wasn't feeling well, and thought i needed to stop early, then i would, but MY POINT IS, THAT, REFS STOP FIGHTS TOO SOON WHEN A FIGHTER IS USUALLY OK, AND WILLING TO CONTINUE.

as a fighter if your concious you will always think the fight is stopped too early, heck even when you wake up from a KO you'll still think the fight is going on...and want to fight.....The REF has to make the decision....you won't....

[squealpiggy]

The boxers are advised to protect themselves at all times. The seconds' main job is to protect their fighter if he's getting too badly beaten. The job of the ref is to protect the fighters if they or their seconds are failing to do it for themselves. I would rather see fights stopped early than fighters killed or seriously injured.

And the Lacy fight should have been stopped by his corner. He was utterly ineffectual for the entire fight and getting more and more badly beaten up all the while. He was never going to win by dramatic late stoppage and he was never going to quite. He kept fighting hoever so the referee wasn't really within his rights to stop the fight, but his corner must have seen what a mess Calzaghe was making.

[Purist]

NO i wouldn't want nothing to happen to my health.

If i wasn't feeling well, and thought i needed to stop early, then i would, but MY POINT IS, THAT, REFS STOP FIGHTS TOO SOON WHEN A FIGHTER IS USUALLY OK, AND WILLING TO CONTINUE.

Thats the thing though, sometimes the fighter doesn't know he isn't feeling well, or he doesn't feel he's been damaged as much as he has been. Leavander Johnson was furious after the fight was stopped he didn't feel what was wrong until later, and by then it was too late.

[Purist]

Thats why they say ref's save fighters from themselves sometimes.

[Lionheart Lacy]

Again, Good point Starr.

I will understand if the corner stops the fight because they see how the fighter is between rounds and know if he is talking sense.

The reason why the lacy fight wasnt stopped by his corner was because 'birmingham' said he didnt want to stop it cos lacy seemed fine, he was determined to continue, and plus, he could have turned the fight around with one punch!

Another example,when lennox and vitali fought, vitali was doing really well. He was cut but he was fine. When the ref stopped that fight, vitali was really pi ssed. Right...he was cut, HE WASNT GONNA DIE, IF HE WAS SO DETERMINED TO CONTINUE THEN LET HIM. yes, his eye was bloodied but vitali really wanted to continue, and could have stopped lewis in a couple of rounds cos they were going at it quite hard.

I REMember amir khan vs jackson. i think it was richie davies who stopped it in the 2nd. Now jackson certainly wasnt in a any serious danger, after all amir khan aint a dangerous puncher. Even though he outclassed jackson, there was no need to stop the contest, what harm could have 2 rounds done to him. Jacksons head was clear, THE only thing making jackson dizzy that night was khans handspeed.

i mean, gypsy fighters fight for hours, bloodied faces, broken noses etc and they continue to fight until one gives in, AND YES THEY DO QUIT AT TIMES.

ALL IM SAYING IS THAT REFEREES NEED TO really THINK HARD ABOUT WEATHER TO STOP THE CONTEST. I HAVE SEEN MANY STOPPAGES THAT I THOUGHT WERE DONE RIGHT COS THE FIGHT JUS COULDN'T PROTECT HIMSELF. I AM ON ABOUT THE STOPPAGES WHICH ARE DONE TOO SOON. I HOPE A REFEREE READS THIS POST AND THINKS ABOUT IT. ONE REFEREE NOT MAKING AN EARLY STOPPAGE WOULD BE A GREAT THING.

sla g me of, atleast i have said what i willed.

[Purist]

You bring up Vitali but consider that if the fight had gone further that cut potentially could have gotten much worse. See it's not always when a fighter is in trouble, it's when a fighter can no longer effectively defend themselv anymore. thats why fights are stopped on cuts because of the potential that it could

A) have a bad lasting result

b) worsen to the point where the fighter can no longer competently defend themself.

Its not just because the other fighter is hurt.

[bigragu]

You would rather take a beating and end up like Gerald McClennan then have the fight stopped and have you fight another day?

thats what I'm saying....

[bigragu]

You bring up Vitali but consider that if the fight had gone further that cut potentially could have gotten much worse. See it's not always when a fighter is in trouble, it's when a fighter can no longer effectively defend themselv anymore. thats why fights are stopped on cuts because of the potential that it could

A) have a bad lasting result

b) worsen to the point where the fighter can no longer competently defend themself.

Its not just because the other fighter is hurt.

dont forget
C) he could lose his eye!!!!!!!! those type of cuts have a way of destroying the vision...

[1st rd ko]

i agree in general that fights are stopped to early. EVERY fight should have the standing 8 in effect. i have always thought LL got f-ed by the ref in the 1st rahman fight. just my thoughts.

[TyBuff]

Again, Good point Starr.

I will understand if the corner stops the fight because they see how the fighter is between rounds and know if he is talking sense.

The reason why the lacy fight wasnt stopped by his corner was because 'birmingham' said he didnt want to stop it cos lacy seemed fine, he was determined to continue, and plus, he could have turned the fight around with one punch!

Another example,when lennox and vitali fought, vitali was doing really well. He was cut but he was fine. When the ref stopped that fight, vitali was really pi ssed. Right...he was cut, HE WASNT GONNA DIE, IF HE WAS SO DETERMINED TO CONTINUE THEN LET HIM. yes, his eye was bloodied but vitali really wanted to continue, and could have stopped lewis in a couple of rounds cos they were going at it quite hard.

I REMember amir khan vs jackson. i think it was richie davies who stopped it in the 2nd. Now jackson certainly wasnt in a any serious danger, after all amir khan aint a dangerous puncher. Even though he outclassed jackson, there was no need to stop the contest, what harm could have 2 rounds done to him. Jacksons head was clear, THE only thing making jackson dizzy that night was khans handspeed.

i mean, gypsy fighters fight for hours, bloodied faces, broken noses etc and they continue to fight until one gives in, AND YES THEY DO QUIT AT TIMES.

ALL IM SAYING IS THAT REFEREES NEED TO really THINK HARD ABOUT WEATHER TO STOP THE CONTEST. I HAVE SEEN MANY STOPPAGES THAT I THOUGHT WERE DONE RIGHT COS THE FIGHT JUS COULDN'T PROTECT HIMSELF. I AM ON ABOUT THE STOPPAGES WHICH ARE DONE TOO SOON. I HOPE A REFEREE READS THIS POST AND THINKS ABOUT IT. ONE REFEREE NOT MAKING AN EARLY STOPPAGE WOULD BE A GREAT THING.

sla g me of, atleast i have said what i willed.

SC. I think you are being short sided on this issue. 95% of the fighters would tell you that they could have gone on. But the problem is nobody knows when brain damage occurs with a fighter. Ive heard about a fighter dieing after one bout, others have had 30+ fights. There will always be time that people will feel that a fight is stopped to soon, but I would rather hear about to soon than to late. Dont get me wrong I know there have been some horrible early stops (Cotto/Corley comes to mind), but for the most part I am OK with it.