WINKY SPEAKS OUT

[frozensolid_702]

So basically, anyone who agrees with the outcome is blindly devoted?

Honestly...yes.

There are too many people out there that refuse to acknowledge the fact that Jermain is a bit of a honey pot to HBO. The network is often notorious for pulling some WACK a** decisions that we are all suseptible to agreeing with just because they are the big boys.

What's funny is that everyone get's in an uproar over things for example like Augustus losing & Oscar losing but when a fighter that clearly lost & fell apart twice...no one cries over it. Then no one can take a bit of criticism over the kid...they can't even acknowledge his flaws. That's being blindly devoted.

Said it once...say it 1000+ times...the kid has the goods...he just don't know how to use them...hence the fact that he is not worthy to have those titles if he can't fight for them effectively.

And I don't see how marketing could sway anyones opinion since Winky has been on the good end of the marketing stick for a long time.

Winky is far from the good end of marketing...read up on Wright...listen to the fans & listen to the media & you will here it...

Winky needs to good fighter across from him to look good & draw a crowd & blah blah blah.

Marketing has a lot to do with it.

If a few judges can sway a crowd over a few million screens...yeah...media has a lot to do with it.

I think Hopkins won the first match, but since that fight Taylor can do nothing right in the public eye.

Yeah...I think that Hopkins won the first match...but Taylor has done a lot in his fan's eyes.

The entire crowd was behind him against Wright till they saw him start to fall apart again in the late rounds.

Winky isn't doing himself any good by crying foul to the media, there are actual organizations that he can cry to where it might make a difference.

Again...until you fight your best & get robbed...it's easy to say something like that.

blaming HBO who he's happy to accept his paycheck from. I'll a $20 bet that says his next fight will also be on HBO. If he thinks he done such a good job, then why not take the rematch to Florida?

Where else is Wright supposed to go? FNF's? Showtime?

I could be wrong...but I never heard Winky blame HBO. Again...I could be wrong...but one thing is for sure...Winky outlanded Taylor 103 of 335 jabs (31%) while Taylor landed 41 of 308 (13%). From a fighter that was to dominate with his jab...he didn't.

He didn't dominate period.

Throughout the entire fight Taylor landed 163 of 703 punches thrown (23%), & Wright landed 226 of 643 (35%).

I'm sorry...but throwing shots & being on the low end of the percentages thrown or punching a man's defense does not win a fight.

It's the same distinction that he was happy to accept from the first Hopkins fight.

You can call that a champion & a legit decision if you want to...but the judges were swayed & so were the fan's that refuse to accept the fact that Wright was the dominating force of the evening.

It's sad.

no disrespect to the great wacko but..............

it really depends on how you score a fight ie:
taylor was more active but hit a lot harder when his punches landed, and the ones that didnt land were smashing up his arms, remember pre-fight when his strategy was revealed saying he would hit him where ever arms, chest, shoulders, elbows, face, body.....just as long as he was getting hit.

am i the only one to notice winky dropping his arms a bit as the fight pressed on?? so jt's strategy was effective, which probably explains why winky ran the last round

on the other hand........some people will score based on accuracy and a higher percentage

compubox numbers mean absolutely JACK!!! unless it is horribly lopsided. if those numbers could determine the outcome of the fight then we wouldnt need judges at all, anybody could score a fight

also.........
jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that

if youre a winky fan be satisfied with a draw.....it was a very close fight and this was no robbery

[tuckwopat]

So basically, anyone who agrees with the outcome is blindly devoted?

Honestly...yes.

There are too many people out there that refuse to acknowledge the fact that Jermain is a bit of a honey pot to HBO. The network is often notorious for pulling some WACK a** decisions that we are all suseptible to agreeing with just because they are the big boys.

What's funny is that everyone get's in an uproar over things for example like Augustus losing & Oscar losing but when a fighter that clearly lost & fell apart twice...no one cries over it. Then no one can take a bit of criticism over the kid...they can't even acknowledge his flaws. That's being blindly devoted.

Said it once...say it 1000+ times...the kid has the goods...he just don't know how to use them...hence the fact that he is not worthy to have those titles if he can't fight for them effectively.

And I don't see how marketing could sway anyones opinion since Winky has been on the good end of the marketing stick for a long time.

Winky is far from the good end of marketing...read up on Wright...listen to the fans & listen to the media & you will here it...

Winky needs to good fighter across from him to look good & draw a crowd & blah blah blah.

Marketing has a lot to do with it.

If a few judges can sway a crowd over a few million screens...yeah...media has a lot to do with it.

I think Hopkins won the first match, but since that fight Taylor can do nothing right in the public eye.

Yeah...I think that Hopkins won the first match...but Taylor has done a lot in his fan's eyes.

The entire crowd was behind him against Wright till they saw him start to fall apart again in the late rounds.

Winky isn't doing himself any good by crying foul to the media, there are actual organizations that he can cry to where it might make a difference.

Again...until you fight your best & get robbed...it's easy to say something like that.

blaming HBO who he's happy to accept his paycheck from. I'll a $20 bet that says his next fight will also be on HBO. If he thinks he done such a good job, then why not take the rematch to Florida?

Where else is Wright supposed to go? FNF's? Showtime?

I could be wrong...but I never heard Winky blame HBO. Again...I could be wrong...but one thing is for sure...Winky outlanded Taylor 103 of 335 jabs (31%) while Taylor landed 41 of 308 (13%). From a fighter that was to dominate with his jab...he didn't.

He didn't dominate period.

Throughout the entire fight Taylor landed 163 of 703 punches thrown (23%), & Wright landed 226 of 643 (35%).

I'm sorry...but throwing shots & being on the low end of the percentages thrown or punching a man's defense does not win a fight.

It's the same distinction that he was happy to accept from the first Hopkins fight.

You can call that a champion & a legit decision if you want to...but the judges were swayed & so were the fan's that refuse to accept the fact that Wright was the dominating force of the evening.

It's sad.

I don't have blind devotion. If I did I would say that Taylor won the first Hopkins fight, he didn't. Its about as simple as that. You can have an assumption about another person's opinion, but you can also be wrong, like you are.

And if you think that Taylor is a such a marketers dream, how come he half fills the arena beside his hometown?

You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.

You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.

You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.

I think you were influenced by Wright's bravado and sulking.

[frozensolid_702]

So basically, anyone who agrees with the outcome is blindly devoted?

Honestly...yes.

There are too many people out there that refuse to acknowledge the fact that Jermain is a bit of a honey pot to HBO. The network is often notorious for pulling some WACK a** decisions that we are all suseptible to agreeing with just because they are the big boys.

What's funny is that everyone get's in an uproar over things for example like Augustus losing & Oscar losing but when a fighter that clearly lost & fell apart twice...no one cries over it. Then no one can take a bit of criticism over the kid...they can't even acknowledge his flaws. That's being blindly devoted.

Said it once...say it 1000+ times...the kid has the goods...he just don't know how to use them...hence the fact that he is not worthy to have those titles if he can't fight for them effectively.

And I don't see how marketing could sway anyones opinion since Winky has been on the good end of the marketing stick for a long time.

Winky is far from the good end of marketing...read up on Wright...listen to the fans & listen to the media & you will here it...

Winky needs to good fighter across from him to look good & draw a crowd & blah blah blah.

Marketing has a lot to do with it.

If a few judges can sway a crowd over a few million screens...yeah...media has a lot to do with it.

I think Hopkins won the first match, but since that fight Taylor can do nothing right in the public eye.

Yeah...I think that Hopkins won the first match...but Taylor has done a lot in his fan's eyes.

The entire crowd was behind him against Wright till they saw him start to fall apart again in the late rounds.

Winky isn't doing himself any good by crying foul to the media, there are actual organizations that he can cry to where it might make a difference.

Again...until you fight your best & get robbed...it's easy to say something like that.

blaming HBO who he's happy to accept his paycheck from. I'll a $20 bet that says his next fight will also be on HBO. If he thinks he done such a good job, then why not take the rematch to Florida?

Where else is Wright supposed to go? FNF's? Showtime?

I could be wrong...but I never heard Winky blame HBO. Again...I could be wrong...but one thing is for sure...Winky outlanded Taylor 103 of 335 jabs (31%) while Taylor landed 41 of 308 (13%). From a fighter that was to dominate with his jab...he didn't.

He didn't dominate period.

Throughout the entire fight Taylor landed 163 of 703 punches thrown (23%), & Wright landed 226 of 643 (35%).

I'm sorry...but throwing shots & being on the low end of the percentages thrown or punching a man's defense does not win a fight.

It's the same distinction that he was happy to accept from the first Hopkins fight.

You can call that a champion & a legit decision if you want to...but the judges were swayed & so were the fan's that refuse to accept the fact that Wright was the dominating force of the evening.

It's sad.

I don't have blind devotion. If I did I would say that Taylor won the first Hopkins fight, he didn't. Its about as simple as that. You can have an assumption about another person's opinion, but you can also be wrong, like you are.

And if you think that Taylor is a such a marketers dream, how come he half fills the arena beside his hometown?

You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.

You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.

You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.

I think you were influenced by Wright's bravado and sulking.

ohhhhhh.......well said, remind me to cc you when i have the power to do so

[TitoFan]

I thought it was a close fight and it could've gone either way, but.......... (and this should be beaten into the skull of every fighter out there)........

YOU DON'T COAST ON THE LAST ROUND(S) OF A CLOSE FIGHT, THINKING THAT YOU HAVE IT WON!! YOU GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT THE WHOLE 12 ROUNDS. OK, WINKY?

[Gandalf]

I thought it was a close fight and it could've gone either way, but.......... (and this should be beaten into the skull of every fighter out there)........

YOU DON'T COAST ON THE LAST ROUND(S) OF A CLOSE FIGHT, THINKING THAT YOU HAVE IT WON!! YOU GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT THE WHOLE 12 ROUNDS. OK, WINKY?

agreed. no fighter has the luxury of pulling the break off the throttle going into the final rounds....its suicide and can shoot you in the face...

winky just squeezed a result IMO....but he could have made victory very, very decisive had he kept up the pressure just a little longer...

I dont buy any HBO conspiracy, I saw the fight without Korean commnetary for the first time last night and I have no problems with what I was hearing....

It was a close fight and not everyone sees the same fight in exactly the same way....thats why we have 3 judges instead of 1....

[bigragu]

So basically, anyone who agrees with the outcome is blindly devoted?

Honestly...yes.

There are too many people out there that refuse to acknowledge the fact that Jermain is a bit of a honey pot to HBO. The network is often notorious for pulling some WACK a** decisions that we are all suseptible to agreeing with just because they are the big boys.

What's funny is that everyone get's in an uproar over things for example like Augustus losing & Oscar losing but when a fighter that clearly lost & fell apart twice...no one cries over it. Then no one can take a bit of criticism over the kid...they can't even acknowledge his flaws. That's being blindly devoted.

Said it once...say it 1000+ times...the kid has the goods...he just don't know how to use them...hence the fact that he is not worthy to have those titles if he can't fight for them effectively.

And I don't see how marketing could sway anyones opinion since Winky has been on the good end of the marketing stick for a long time.

Winky is far from the good end of marketing...read up on Wright...listen to the fans & listen to the media & you will here it...

Winky needs to good fighter across from him to look good & draw a crowd & blah blah blah.

Marketing has a lot to do with it.

If a few judges can sway a crowd over a few million screens...yeah...media has a lot to do with it.

I think Hopkins won the first match, but since that fight Taylor can do nothing right in the public eye.

Yeah...I think that Hopkins won the first match...but Taylor has done a lot in his fan's eyes.

The entire crowd was behind him against Wright till they saw him start to fall apart again in the late rounds.

Winky isn't doing himself any good by crying foul to the media, there are actual organizations that he can cry to where it might make a difference.

Again...until you fight your best & get robbed...it's easy to say something like that.

blaming HBO who he's happy to accept his paycheck from. I'll a $20 bet that says his next fight will also be on HBO. If he thinks he done such a good job, then why not take the rematch to Florida?

Where else is Wright supposed to go? FNF's? Showtime?

I could be wrong...but I never heard Winky blame HBO. Again...I could be wrong...but one thing is for sure...Winky outlanded Taylor 103 of 335 jabs (31%) while Taylor landed 41 of 308 (13%). From a fighter that was to dominate with his jab...he didn't.

He didn't dominate period.

Throughout the entire fight Taylor landed 163 of 703 punches thrown (23%), & Wright landed 226 of 643 (35%).

I'm sorry...but throwing shots & being on the low end of the percentages thrown or punching a man's defense does not win a fight.

It's the same distinction that he was happy to accept from the first Hopkins fight.

You can call that a champion & a legit decision if you want to...but the judges were swayed & so were the fan's that refuse to accept the fact that Wright was the dominating force of the evening.

It's sad.

no disrespect to the great wacko but..............

it really depends on how you score a fight ie:
taylor was more active but hit a lot harder when his punches landed, and the ones that didnt land were smashing up his arms, remember pre-fight when his strategy was revealed saying he would hit him where ever arms, chest, shoulders, elbows, face, body.....just as long as he was getting hit.

am i the only one to notice winky dropping his arms a bit as the fight pressed on?? so jt's strategy was effective, which probably explains why winky ran the last round

on the other hand........some people will score based on accuracy and a higher percentage

compubox numbers mean absolutely JACK!!! unless it is horribly lopsided. if those numbers could determine the outcome of the fight then we wouldnt need judges at all, anybody could score a fight

also.........
jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that

if youre a winky fan be satisfied with a draw.....it was a very close fight and this was no robbery

[bigragu]

jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that



What?? it's obvious that you are way too new on this site to make a comment like that.......I got over half of my sc's because of that fight.....I STILL THINK COLLAZO WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!! This fight was the talk of the site for over a week......quit talking out of you're A** and just say what you know....we'll respect you more.....Winky won that fight ...give it up....

[frozensolid_702]

jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that



What?? it's obvious that you are way too new on this site to make a comment like that.......I got over half of my sc's because of that fight.....I STILL THINK COLLAZO WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!! This fight was the talk of the site for over a week......quit talking out of you're A** and just say what you know....we'll respect you more.....Winky won that fight ...give it up....

if he won that fight it wouldnt be a draw.....look how long ago i regestered before you start calling me new......and i was looking long before that.
i dont care about sad clicks........i come to share my passion for the sport and debate with people who know whats up (suprisingly a lot on this site) even if they dont share my opinions
and lastly............the hatton fight was closer than this one (i scored that a draw btw)and meldrick taylor was ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[steady_E]

Winky also said that Julio Cesar Vasquez didn't knock him down and the five knock down were "slips"... has anybody seen that fight?... he's full of shit!

[Purist]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Stiffle!!! And thats the first time I'm saying it to you!!! Everyone thats ever beaten Wright he tried to get immediate rematches with!!! Never make a blanket statement like that bout Winky Wright!! you're a much better poster then that And anyway, Wright would beat Taylor again and they would rob him again, its a waste of his time. He beat Taylor the first time, if he fought him again it would be the same fight same result, Winky getting robbed.

[Purist]

Winky also said that Julio Cesar Vasquez didn't knock him down and the five knock down were "slips"... has anybody seen that fight?... he's full of shit!

there were more slips then knockdowns Tells you how Winky dominated that fight to be down 5 times and only lose by a point

[amat]

Winky also said that Julio Cesar Vasquez didn't knock him down and the five knock down were "slips"... has anybody seen that fight?... he's full of shit!

1994-08-21

[Purist]

allow me.

And if you think that Taylor is a such a marketers dream, how come he half fills the arena beside his hometown?

He is a marketers dream, he didn't sell out THIS arena because they upped the ticket prices to unheard of values

You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.

He may be modest outside the ring but it doesn't matter in the ring because he lost that fight. and Winky DID fight all 12 rounds, I don't know why everyone things he coasted from Taylor. The only time in the 12th he took a backwards step was in the last 30 seconds where he knew he won the round and Taylor tried to come in and do something and Wright hit him with a straight left hand to back him up. But I guess you missed that hearing lampley and them saying that Winky was running when Lennox was saying Winky was switching it up on Taylor and had him confused. But you missed that didn't you?

You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.

So if it was by who landed the harder punches, are you saying then if a fighter lands 20 soft shots in the round and his opponent lands one hard shot that does more damage then the previous 20 that the other fighter should get the round Please, if that were so would Hopkins have lost the 12th to the same Jermain Taylor?

You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.

And maybe not everyone saw it in your eyes.

What you need to realise is that Wright DID NOT coast in the 12th round. Since everyone wants to talk about Birmingham telling Wright to fight in the 12th but he also told him to back away after firing because Jermain can't get to him.

Here's the 12th

They stand off from each other and Winky is going forward and taylor is going backwards, Winky is throwing shots at Taylor who is backing up, at about the 2 minute mark taylor hasn't thrown a punch and Winky has been backing him, Winky lands some hard shots and Taylro swings and Winky grabs him to get close and Taylor doesn't do anything.. now Winky boxes from the outside and is hitting Taylor who swings and is having an issue hitting Winky, Wright is circling around Taylor and spinning him and hitting him to the body, less then a minute left and Taylor throws 3 shots at Wright all of which hit his gloves and Wright presses Taylor to the ropes with his own combination, and then he follows Jermain and hits him, and then Winky is circling and circling and Jermain still hasn't done anything of significace yet and now Winky is boxing around and Jermain is frustrated and tries to lunge in and Winky hits him with a hard lead left hand as he falls in and then holds him, the ref seperates them and Winky moves away and circles until the bell rings and Winky holds his hands in the air.

So how can anyone say that Winky "coasted" the 12th is beyond me unless

A) you've only seen it once

or

B) you are mesmorized by the commentary!!

[drgoodlooking]

I'm not sure about this case, but Winky has been screwed.

[luvfightgame]

Just felt the need to add my 2 cents.

I think a draw was exactly the way it should have been. There should be a rematch, this was a great fight and much better than I expected. I scored it the same as Lederman for once. Usually I agree that the HBO team is very slanted, and often end up muting the tv cause they annoy me so bad. I didn't find it to be that bad this fight. I actually felt it was decent commentary.

No way this was a robbery. It was extremely close. They traded rounds back and forth. And by the way I am not a fan of either fighter. Usually Winky is a bore to watch, and J.T. got a gift in the first Hopkins fight, and the second one BHOP gave away cause he knew he wasn't gonna win a decision but fought the exact same fight.