Hopkins:No one can say JT is a superstar.

[SimonH]

What of Hamed Britkid? he "was" a superstar for a time. Wasn't as long as Delahoya, but he WAS one.

Maybe a British superstar, but he never quite make made Worldwide superstar; Barrera saw to that IMO...

[Wacko3205]

IWO, there are plenty of star caliber boxers out there...everyone's just too gotdam critical to give them enough credit.

There are players, shakers, & movers out there along the same lines of the late 70's & mid 80's stars...but everyone wants to pick 'em apart too much.

We got a deep pool of talent...people just need to be a bit more accepting.

[SimonH]

IWO, there are plenty of star caliber boxers out there...everyone's just too gotdam critical to give them enough credit.

There are players, shakers, & movers out there along the same lines of the late 70's & mid 80's stars...but everyone wants to pick 'em apart too much.

We got a deep pool of talent...people just need to be a bit more accepting.

Maybe so, but just because you are brilliant, it does not make you a superstar IMO. I say a Superstar, is a non British fighter my old dear has heard of.

[Wacko3205]

IWO, there are plenty of star caliber boxers out there...everyone's just too gotdam critical to give them enough credit.

There are players, shakers, & movers out there along the same lines of the late 70's & mid 80's stars...but everyone wants to pick 'em apart too much.

We got a deep pool of talent...people just need to be a bit more accepting.

Maybe so, but just because you are brilliant, it does not make you a superstar IMO. I say a Superstar, is a non British fighter my old dear has heard of.

Agreed...but notice I said star caliber...not Super Star.

I think that alot of the fighters that will be GOATs are going unnoticed or highly scrutinized right now.

Take Barrera for instance...he is one of the greatest of my gen. No doubt...but the Pac loss...the one TKO loss has RUINED him in the eyes of many fans...don't you see that as being a bit bullshittish or fickle?

I do.

I just can't write off one of the better boxers of the last 5-10 for one or two losses especially when he's got 67 fights under his belt with 2 wins & 42 of those he's won by knockout.

Don't make sense.

[SimonH]

Agreed...but notice I said star caliber...not Super Star.

I think that alot of the fighters that will be GOATs are going unnoticed or highly scrutinized right now.

Take Barrera for instance...he is one of the greatest of my gen. No doubt...but the Pac loss...the one TKO loss has RUINED him in the eyes of many fans...don't you see that as being a bit bullshittish or fickle?

I do.

I just can't write off one of the better boxers of the last 5-10 for one or two losses especially when he's got 67 fights under his belt with 2 wins & 42 of those he's won by knockout.

Don't make sense.

Yourself, like myself, are being pretentious, because we know a lot about boxing, we can tell the chaff from the real deal. A Tyson is a boxing superstar, but a Ricardo Lopez, Roy Jones Jr, Pernell Whitaker and Oscar de la Hoya are finer fighters IMO...

[The_One77]

Taylor is not a superstar yet, but imo he has the makings to be a great fighter..
He just has to polish up on his defence a little

[BigLuke]

Doubt it. He won't get by Sturm the way he looked the other night.

Though he'd Ko sturm, they probably wont fight, cuz he already chickened out of the first chance to fight him.

[Bx730NY]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS ASS UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

[Purist]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS ASS UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

blah blah blah

If you went throughthe article you'd realise that Hopkions aint whining about anything except the fact that there's no superstar and no dominant champion. And thats a good reason, the guy thats supposed to be the man in the division struggles in his last 3. granted theywere tough opponents, but he should have lost 2. He's being groomed by HBO and he doesn't need that

[Bx730NY]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS a** UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

blah blah blah

If you went throughthe article you'd realise that Hopkions aint whining about anything except the fact that there's no superstar and no dominant champion. And thats a good reason, the guy thats supposed to be the man in the division struggles in his last 3. granted theywere tough opponents, but he should have lost 2. He's being groomed by HBO and he doesn't need that

He wants all the respect and doesn't wanna give none so that makes him a lame. He didn't win any of the fight with JT if go by how many rounds each of them won so I don't know how thick your glasses are. He didn't fight until JT was tired and he wants to win a decision for fightin 4 or 5 rounds, Please. Read between the lines too. He's trying to make it seem like he's not causing a stir but if he doesn't, why bring it up? I don't recall him fighting top competition back to back to back. DOn't believe the hype. The man is a fraud.

[Wacko3205]

Doubt it. He won't get by Sturm the way he looked the other night.

Though he'd Ko sturm, they probably wont fight, cuz he already chickened out of the first chance to fight him.

In his hometown where he would have been robbed like Wright was...Luke...you know that Taylor looks great against lesser caliber fighters but actual tacticians confuse him.

I like Taylor...but for some reason...you can't deal with his faults...why is that you can't admit that Taylor has some pretty obvious defects?

[Purist]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS a** UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

blah blah blah

If you went throughthe article you'd realise that Hopkions aint whining about anything except the fact that there's no superstar and no dominant champion. And thats a good reason, the guy thats supposed to be the man in the division struggles in his last 3. granted theywere tough opponents, but he should have lost 2. He's being groomed by HBO and he doesn't need that

He wants all the respect and doesn't wanna give none so that makes him a lame. He didn't win any of the fight with JT if go by how many rounds each of them won so I don't know how thick your glasses are. He didn't fight until JT was tired and he wants to win a decision for fightin 4 or 5 rounds, Please. Read between the lines too. He's trying to make it seem like he's not causing a stir but if he doesn't, why bring it up? I don't recall him fighting top competition back to back to back. DOn't believe the hype. The man is a fraud.

Aint Bernard the one that was saying he wanted Jermain Taylor to beat Winky because it was good for the Middleweight division an dthe future and he wanted to see it survive and Jermain to succeed. That means he expected things from Jermain, and he didn't get them, you don't represent the Middleweight division getting a fight handed to you in Hopkins eyes

[Bx730NY]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS a** UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

blah blah blah

If you went throughthe article you'd realise that Hopkions aint whining about anything except the fact that there's no superstar and no dominant champion. And thats a good reason, the guy thats supposed to be the man in the division struggles in his last 3. granted theywere tough opponents, but he should have lost 2. He's being groomed by HBO and he doesn't need that

He wants all the respect and doesn't wanna give none so that makes him a lame. He didn't win any of the fight with JT if go by how many rounds each of them won so I don't know how thick your glasses are. He didn't fight until JT was tired and he wants to win a decision for fightin 4 or 5 rounds, Please. Read between the lines too. He's trying to make it seem like he's not causing a stir but if he doesn't, why bring it up? I don't recall him fighting top competition back to back to back. DOn't believe the hype. The man is a fraud.

Aint Bernard the one that was saying he wanted Jermain Taylor to beat Winky because it was good for the Middleweight division an dthe future and he wanted to see it survive and Jermain to succeed. That means he expected things from Jermain, and he didn't get them, you don't represent the Middleweight division getting a fight handed to you in Hopkins eyes

If that's the case then why did he want gift decisions against JT. Winky was a way more proven fighter than JT so why didn't Hopkins fight him? Because Winky didn't have any flaws that Hopkins was able to exploit. So he figured he'll fight an unexperienced guy and win on that. Didn't happen. Winky is a guy that no one is going to dominate.

[Purist]

Now you're assuming things

[mafiajoey]

I just can't believe Hopkins is still crying. That's just another reason for me not to give him respect. He acts like he was winning pretty and convincingly all those years. He didn't even fight in the 2 fight with JT until he saw him tired. He almost got knocked down in both fights from single right hands and he knew he was in with the better man. I don't see how anyone can say he has class and he's such a sore loser. The fight with Winky is another story cause there were so many close rounds that it really could have gone either way although I had it for Wink by a slight margin. Hopkins is trying to say it in a respectful way but if he really wants to be respectful, he would SHUT HIS a** UP!!! I thought he was out of the picture.

Also if you watched the Tarver Hopkins fight B hop walked over to emannuel as soon as the fight was over and said only great things for him to tell Jermaine