Warren- Enzo can beat Haye

[yoitsdan]

Personally I think they are both overratted. Haye good boxer, big puncher, no chin and stamina issues.
Enzo, big puncher, good chin and plenty of stamina, but zero skills.

If they could morph into one fighter, the result would be a world beater but as they are they are both beatable.

In fact I'd fancy Calzaghe or B Hop to be able to go up to 185 lb and beat them both.

Cruiser limit is 200lbs, Haye and Enzo are way too big to be beaten by Calzaghe or Bernard I feel, they wouldn't live with the power.
As far as Enzo vs Haye goes, i think Haye has his number.

[Kev]

Personally I think they are both overratted. Haye good boxer, big puncher, no chin and stamina issues.
Enzo, big puncher, good chin and plenty of stamina, but zero skills.

If they could morph into one fighter, the result would be a world beater but as they are they are both beatable.

In fact I'd fancy Calzaghe or B Hop to be able to go up to 185 lb and beat them both.

Mate you being serious?

I think they would both be knocked out. These men are to big for Calzaghe and Hopkins

I'm totally serious, James Toney is naturally a middleweight and he's been in with bigger guys with bigger punches than both Enzo and Haye, plus he's taking on the biggest puncher of them all right now Sam Peter in September.

Roy Jones another middleweight, naturally probably smaller than Calzaghe and Hopkins went up to heavyweight and beat John Ruiz.

Calzaghe walks around at over 185lbs and I'm looking at Hopkins last time out against Tarver, he could easily fill out to be a 185 lb. He looks like Holyfield did.

Power isn't squat if you can't land and belive me there is no way in hell Enzo Macc is landing with anything against Hopkins or Calzaghe, even if the fight went 50 rounds. He'll just be a punchbag for 12 rounds. Good chin means he'll soak up the pressure but he would lose lopsided decisions to both.

David Haye can only go 6 rounds at a strong pace, and would be exhuasted by then against someone like Calzaghe. Hopkins would nail in the later rounds also. I would be confident of both Hopkins and Calzaghe stopping Haye inside the distance.

Size isn't that much a factor. Tommy Hearns used to fight at welterweight but now is still campaigning at light heavy. Ray Leonard won titles from welter weight up to light heavy weight.

I reckon Calzaghe and Hopkins could both fight at 185lbs.

[Fenster]

Yeah when you think about it weight classes are pretty pointless really

What with Naz's unorthodox style, speed and power, I reckon he'd of KO'd Bruno in the 90s

[Kev]

Yeah when you think about it weight classes are pretty pointless really

What with Naz's unorthodox style, speed and power, I reckon he'd of KO'd Bruno in the 90s

Naz was 5 ft 4, Calzaghe is 6 ft, I'm guessing so is Hopkins. Naturally I bet both weigh around 185-190 lbs so the move up would be no more dramatic p4p wise than Duran moving from lightweight to middleweight. Weight has less impact the higher up you go so a jump of 135 - 160 is probably a higer jump percentage of bodyweight than 168 lb to 185/190 lbs.

Fighting at 200 lb may be too much but if the fight was at 185lb I'd fancy Calzaghe against both.

In the 60's Floyd Patterson was preparing to defend his heavyweight crown against Sugar Ray Robinson before Liston steamrollered him so it never happend.

[yoitsdan]

Light heavy is 175, cruiser is 200, you must mean weighing 185 in a cruiser fight or catchweight? Eitherway, haye is 225lb in the ring and has to kill himself to make 200, he's really a natural heavy, i think enzo has similar trouble getting down to 200, and is way over come fight time. I think their just too big. Toney is different, he's clearly used steroids and has grown older and got bigger, calzaghe and b-hop have stayed around the same weight for most of their careers, I think joe has always faught at 168, I think its too late for them to go up.

[MiraCuloU$-P@rAg0n]

I don't know where people are getting this notion that "Haye hasn't got a chin" when to my memory he hasn't even been put down let alone knocked out, His corner threw in the towel against Thompson because he was tired and nothing else, He beat the crap out of Thompson in the early rounds and it was his inexperience which cost him, Every fighter gets rocked be a punch in their career, That doesn't mean they've got a weak chin, I've seen Enzo get laid out on the canvas and even though he went on to win the fight a better boxer would have finished him off, I hope the fight happens and I'd back Haye with an early to middle round KO easy, Enzo hasn't got the skills or speed to deal with Haye and in Hayes last fight he ended it in the late rounds so he's slowly building up his stamina, Hayes the truth, He's got everything Enzo could only dream about, Speed, Movement and Skills, I'd love the fight to happen.

[Kev]

Light heavy is 175, cruiser is 200, you must mean weighing 185 in a cruiser fight or catchweight? Eitherway, haye is 225lb in the ring and has to kill himself to make 200, he's really a natural heavy, i think enzo has similar trouble getting down to 200, and is way over come fight time. I think their just too big. Toney is different, he's clearly used steroids and has grown older and got bigger, calzaghe and b-hop have stayed around the same weight for most of their careers, I think joe has always faught at 168, I think its too late for them to go up.

Ah I didn't realise Haye is so big now. My reasoning was based on the fact that after Calzaghe beat Eubank, Chris at the tail end of his career and clearly on the slide moved up to challenge Carl Thompson twice, losing a very close fight on points first time around, and then being stopped for the only time in his career due to cuts whilst being ahead on all scorecards in the rematch.

That was a past his best Eubank, just losing out to a prime Carl Thompson.

Then David Haye took on a 40 year old Carl Thompson and was knocked out in 5 rounds, thus I think it's certainly credible to think Hopkins or Calzaghe could have done that also.

I agree 200 lbs is pushing it, but at 185 lb I'd pick Hopkins and Calzaghe over Haye and Enzo,