would this work?

[Munkymagic]

There is only one type of marine on this planet worth mentioning...and thats a Royal Marine

[Howlin Mad Missy]

why risk getting your head blown off just to learn a figure of 4 arm lock? Wouldn't it be easier to join a gym p.s you don't have to go to certain countries to train ma's.

[VictorCharlie]

as a US soldier I can't stress enough that learning and training in MMA is the absolute last reason to enlist in any military branch. You most likely will be very dissapointed.

[Munkymagic]

When i was in the Navy we had few SB guys (special boat) come aboard the ship for a while. We got talking to them about unarmed combat and they said that if it comes to the situation that you are fighting without a firearm then things have seriously seriously gone wrong and you are deep in the sh*t anyway. A combative mindset,ferocious vehemence and willingness to kill the enemy at all costs is more important than techniques. The small number of techniques taught to special forces are based around killing not fighting. Throat strikes and biting and eye gouges are the order of the day.

The BJJ and spinning backfist can stay at home with the civvies.

Not even sure if what i wrote is relevent now

[Howlin Mad Missy]

sure it is. We had a marine in our jkd class. When asked what techniques they had taught him he just laughed saying it's mostly psycho aggression when it comes to hand to hand.

[Munkymagic]

Missy what do you think of Paul Vunak? I was at class on Sunday and we got talking about his R.A.T (rapid assault tactics) tape where he just goes for a straight blast.Then once the other person is open come in with knee's elbows and headbutts. it sounds a lot like the combatives class i do but i concentrate on one shot KO pre-emptive shots then follow up with knees and elbows if my primary shot fails. Basically its all about hitting until there is F*** all to hit. Combatives is a one sided beating thats what its all about.

I googled Paul and some of the marketing shyte associated with him is terrible

"Cram 6 months of deadly martial arts training into 1 hour and become an awesome streetfighter"

Shyte

I might buy one of his dvd's off ebay just to see if i can take anything from it. Reading his stuff though it does sound as combative as it can get.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

back in the day... I watched some of his stick work, very sloppy, hand grip was open, twirled it after every move etc, one hit and the stick would go flying. Personally I think their IS some good content but there's plenty of LA style over content going on.
I like that he wrote about people thinking they've got the ranges covered for example if you think you can box go spar with a boxer, they'll show you hands, think you can knee/kick go spar with a MT fighter etc, that sort of thing....that's all good except in terms of street fights most folk aren't trained and that's where you and him overlap. It's still about hitting and keep on hitting till they quit or you can get away.



loads of the jkd family have split and gone down what path they think fit. Some folk teach MA and call it jkd concepts if that's right then the ulitmate would be to get a gun and shoot the first person who gives you lip.

[Munkymagic]

Have never studied JKD but isnt it more of a concept ie use what works for you than a martial art in its own right?

For example i am a judoka. I could strip all of what might work for me in a fight in a judo sense and be left with the 'meat' so to speak then effectivly say its JKD? Judo is the only 'martial art' that i train. The rest is fairburn WW2 battefield concepts of agression and gross motor strikes such as chinjab,palmfist,hammerfist. Judo is my support if my primary tools go to shyte.

The RAT system that Vunak puts forward looks very much like the type of stuff that i train except i don't rate the stright blast since it carries no power. I supposed its designed as an entry mechanism to put the assailant on the backfoot so you can come in with heavier artilliary.

Just going back to JKD for a sec though its weird because you see some schools teach JKD as an art in its own right with set forms and patterns.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

well this is where the probelm is. I believe JKD is an MA and a concept. There are specific to jkd that make it jkd. I'd argue that their aren't forms or patterns, certainly not in the karate sense but if you mean in the sense that a boxer will practise their punches and particular defenses then yes we have that.

You could apply jkd concepts to your MA but to me it wouldn't make it jkd.

[Munkymagic]

I believe JKD is an MA and a concept.

Then aren't you effectively disagreeing with the man who came up with the idea Bruce Lee himself? I may be wrong but as far as i saw it JKD is whatever works for YOU ie its a concept and not a martial art.

Am i just being argumentative?

[hailrain]

i would think that when you join the army, no matter where you are, you are busy doing what the army wants, where they want it, and when. wont leave much time for training or finding different areas to train at. if u want to "travel the world and stuff" its cheaper than you might think so no need to join into the "see the world" hype that the armed forces uses to recuit. If you want to see the world and train. go for it- several fighters travel around living out of thier vans traveling from one place to the other learning as much as they can.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I believe JKD is an MA and a concept.

Then aren't you effectively disagreeing with the man who came up with the idea Bruce Lee himself? I may be wrong but as far as i saw it JKD is whatever works for YOU ie its a concept and not a martial art.

Am i just being argumentative?

that again depends, if for example if you believe that the jkd stance is the most appropriate stance for fighting then is it wrong to call it a jkd stance? It does have a core which is more than empty words.

I do get a little miffed with those who have maybe read a book on Lee then come out as if they knew what he meant. I think certain MA's use Lee's name as a badge. Those who knew him can't agree on what way to take it how can we?

[hailrain]

I wonder what LEE would think of the evolution of MMA. i think hed be like... i told you so

[Howlin Mad Missy]

he was already doing mma before mma picked up the name.