INO Lamon Brewster, Sam Peter & Calvin Brock will save the HW division!!!!

[superheavyrhun]

Almost all of what has been said is just about spot on, but i'll rejig them and put em back down as my own opinions .

Lamon Brewster lacks the quality and consistency to unfiy bugger all. He's getting on a bit, and he may get one more shot at one of the titles as a former holder, but I don't see anything from him suggesting that he will have any major impact on the division in the coming 24 months unless he picks up his game big time.

Sam Peter has really impressed me in the build up to the Toney clash, and he is saying the right things, and managing to rilw Toney up, though granted it is not too hard. He is also lead-handed, and if he can improve on his boxing skills, and move beyond being simply a puncher, then I don't see why he can't win a belt. But first, he needs to prove he's learnt from his defeat to Klitschko, which may just have been a case of too much too soon. He also has youth on his side, and is probably the best of this sorry bunch for the fans.

Calvin Brock is to boxing what maths is to schoolkids. He's a big part in the boxing scene, and granted is the best boxer among the bunch. However, the fans aren't taking to him, his charming mix of arrogance and belief that he is an exciting fighter is not endearing himself to anyone. There's also the rather interesting situation of him ditching his promoter hoping to get a better contract, and no-one sprinting forward to sign up this man who according to baxrec is the best heavyweight in the world. If he can win over the fans, and grab a world belt, would certainly be a player.

What the division really need is a crop of hw's who are more than just afraid to lose, but vitally, have to have the desire to win and to KO opponents. And for the love of the lord, some charisma among that mythical crop of young fighters would be wonderful. Anyone care to speculate on where this crop is currently growing?

[Raeder]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

[TyBuff]

Anyone care to speculate on where this crop is currently growing?

Not sure but I think the best bet would be to look in Europe!

[Wacko3205]

Calvin Brock is to boxing what maths is to schoolkids. He's a big part in the boxing scene, and granted is the best boxer among the bunch. However, the fans aren't taking to him, his charming mix of arrogance and belief that he is an exciting fighter is not endearing himself to anyone. There's also the rather interesting situation of him ditching his promoter hoping to get a better contract, and no-one sprinting forward to sign up this man who according to baxrec is the best heavyweight in the world. If he can win over the fans, and grab a world belt, would certainly be a player.

Good post over all.

I want to touch on the above though. Honestly, I like Brock. I do, really. He's a good guy with good abilities & people laugh at me when I say that he's fun to watch...but when in the hell have I ever given a shit about people laughing at me? Brock is fun to watch...last fight ruled out, he is...but as we have all said before...he's just good at everything & not great at anything.

He's a really good good guy & I had a blast watching him tee off on Lawrence when he came close to my hometown, but the thing is...with the heavyweights...I think that everyone is looking at the road ahead of them & not the one that's underneath them.

Everyone pretty much see's that all roads end with Wlad & that there's a whopper of a stop sign there.

Unless something insanely shocking happens...Klitschko has a great shot at ruling the division now.

[Wacko3205]

Honestly...& everyone will laugh about this one...I want to see Valuev come stateside & prove everyone wrong.

I would love to see the big guy actually do something. No shit. Call it a guilty pleasure syndrome...but that guy is going to bring viewers back to boxing. How could he not? Sure...you can say that he's just big & that he can't box...but he can box.

I want to see Valuev sell out the house. It would be great if he blasted Barrett out of the ring. Rahman couldn't do it, if he can...that's gotta bring him a shred of credibility.

What can I say, I'm a carnie worker at heart & the marketing ploy got me.

[Kev]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

[El Kabong]

The savior of the division is not around yet...Wlad will hold the belts for a couple more years and retire...and unless Chazz Witherspoon develops some power someone is going to have to surprise us.

The deal with Lamon Brewster is that he's being trained by Buddy McGirt and Buddy is teaching LAME-ON to box more and not brawl so much....that's all well and good in theory but it just doesn't fit Brewster's traits...he has a good chin, he has heart and he hits relatively hard....he needs to bang more...more punches and less jabbing

Peter is still unpolished and unrefined as a boxer and that's why James Toney will whip his ass

James Toney is way too old, fat, and lacks the power to defeat Wlad or Lyakhovich or even Valuev for that matter

Wlad is going to beat Briggs and line up a fight with Maskaev to get another belt thought Don King apparently wants him to fight Sergei Lyakhovich instead of Briggs or so Sergei says.

Sergei is letting good fights pass him by and it's going to hurt him in the long run because his belt will be worthless unless he does something with it.

Valuev will continue to fight bums until he's forced into retierment by his age or injury or someone beats him....I see fights with Audley Harrison, Tony Thompson, and Kevin McBride or Andrew Golota in his future

[CutMeMick]

I don't see Oleg getting past Peter & especially Brewster! I do see Toney giving him problems & outworking Oleg to a UD! I can see Oleg KOing Klitchko & also Brewster KOing him again!
Not too sure exactly how Peter & Toney will turn out since age is catching up to Toney & he doesn't have much time left to be champ! Brewster is probably the most dangerous opponent in the heavyweight division right now! Brock is the up & comer that will be a major threat in 1-2 years!
Peter is huge & just needs to get more ring exp. in order to take the divsion, but when?

I give Brewster the best advantage over anyone in the heavies today!!!!

WAAAAA ZUUUPPP!!! N.sideX4?

SAK TOWN IN THE HOUSE.....Hows everything up north? Down here in So. Cal. hotter then mutha' fwocker been between 94 & 101 for about 2 months now.
Which is fwocken to most people here, I'm justo hotter weather cuz of where I grew up (Mexicali, Baja California average of 105 up to 119)....

Anyway I see what you mean but I have to dissagree that Peter won't get passed Toney. As much as I hate tha 'crispy cream doughnut' eating mo' fo' hes still gonna beat Peter. Lamon won't be the same anymore.
Brock looks like he can do something but hes yet to be tested.

[TyBuff]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg has become a US citizen, dont remember when but he has official become a citizen of the US.

[Raeder]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

[Raeder]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

[El Kabong]

Oleg wasn't born here so he's a NATURALIZED citizen...not a regular citizen, but his kids could be.

Now what he's doing is very American, coming here for a better life for his kids and all...that's All-American.

[Kev]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right?

[El Kabong]

...right you are Bil

[Kev]

...right you are Bil

Thanks Lyle,

now wait 10 miuntes till someone reminds me that he is a) An AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! and b) HE'S NOT FROM RUSSIA!!!

Some people just don't get it