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    Default Re: How will Cotto fare at 147?

    I think that he will do well at 147. Mayweather beats 99% of the ww out there so there is no shame in that. I think he would hold his own with Hatton/Judah/Margarito/Collazo. I think all of those would be good match ups. I think he would win them with a few nervous moments in there, but would still win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyBuff
    I think that he will do well at 147. Mayweather beats 99% of the ww out there so there is no shame in that. I think he would hold his own with Hatton/Judah/Margarito/Collazo. I think all of those would be good match ups. I think he would win them with a few nervous moments in there, but would still win.

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    I think he fits into the ww division well, just hope he gets some of the super fights that were around at Jr. w. Hatton, Mayweather. I think he beats the other 3 guys in the top 5, Margarito, Judah & Collazo. But Hatton & Mayweather would be the most difficult tests IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy76
    I think he fits into the ww division well, just hope he gets some of the super fights that were around at Jr. w. Hatton, Mayweather. I think he beats the other 3 guys in the top 5, Margarito, Judah & Collazo. But Hatton & Mayweather would be the most difficult tests IMO.
    The first Good fighter that focuses on Mayweather's body will have some success. everyone seem to make the mistake of headhunting with PBF, Floyd is too elusive for that. but the body can be had. the body is always available. Cotto is fighter that could have some success. If he works that body early on ,, however if he plods along looking for the head shots all night , Cotto is in big troubles . Got to kill that Mayweather body early to beat him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lords Gym
    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy76
    I think he fits into the ww division well, just hope he gets some of the super fights that were around at Jr. w. Hatton, Mayweather. I think he beats the other 3 guys in the top 5, Margarito, Judah & Collazo. But Hatton & Mayweather would be the most difficult tests IMO.
    The first Good fighter that focuses on Mayweather's body will have some success. everyone seem to make the mistake of headhunting with PBF, Floyd is too elusive for that. but the body can be had. the body is always available. Cotto is fighter that could have some success. If he works that body early on ,, however if he plods along looking for the head shots all night , Cotto is in big troubles . Got to kill that Mayweather body early to beat him .

    Yeah you gotta take away his wheels. Mayweather is very slick and knows how to move very well to get himself out of tight situations. And as for Cotto moving up to Welterweight, I just see it for him as less pain and less water weight to lose weigh in day :P I think he'd feel a little more natural at that weight but question is if his power will transfer from his previous weight also if the bigger stronger guys can attack that questionable chin of his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lords Gym
    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy76
    I think he fits into the ww division well, just hope he gets some of the super fights that were around at Jr. w. Hatton, Mayweather. I think he beats the other 3 guys in the top 5, Margarito, Judah & Collazo. But Hatton & Mayweather would be the most difficult tests IMO.
    The first Good fighter that focuses on Mayweather's body will have some success. everyone seem to make the mistake of headhunting with PBF, Floyd is too elusive for that. but the body can be had. the body is always available. Cotto is fighter that could have some success. If he works that body early on ,, however if he plods along looking for the head shots all night , Cotto is in big troubles . Got to kill that Mayweather body early to beat him .

    the reason that nobody goes to mayweathers body is because he will instantly counter with a solid shot to the face, hes just waay to quick to be dropping your hands away from the head because youre gonna get caught (watch EVERY mayweather fight available and you will know what im talking about )
    plus, many fighters have said in their post fight interviews "he hits a lot harder than i thought he would"
    trust me, bro..............

    professional fighters have thought the same thing going in, youre not the first person to think of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
    Quote Originally Posted by Lords Gym
    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy76
    I think he fits into the ww division well, just hope he gets some of the super fights that were around at Jr. w. Hatton, Mayweather. I think he beats the other 3 guys in the top 5, Margarito, Judah & Collazo. But Hatton & Mayweather would be the most difficult tests IMO.
    The first Good fighter that focuses on Mayweather's body will have some success. everyone seem to make the mistake of headhunting with PBF, Floyd is too elusive for that. but the body can be had. the body is always available. Cotto is fighter that could have some success. If he works that body early on ,, however if he plods along looking for the head shots all night , Cotto is in big troubles . Got to kill that Mayweather body early to beat him .

    the reason that nobody goes to mayweathers body is because he will instantly counter with a solid shot to the face, hes just waay to quick to be dropping your hands away from the head because youre gonna get caught (watch EVERY mayweather fight available and you will know what im talking about )
    plus, many fighters have said in their post fight interviews "he hits a lot harder than i thought he would"
    trust me, bro..............

    professional fighters have thought the same thing going in, youre not the first person to think of this
    I understand this , but its something that has to be done, you best have a good beard to deal with it, but you gotta get to that Mayweather body or you never touch his chin ! JMO

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    To whomever said Cotto has not fought anyone,you let bias cloud you r judgement and take KT away from Hatton's resume and Cotto has fought by far and away the better opposition.

    Corley
    ndou
    Sosa
    Maussa(before Hatton)
    Torres(whom he was not expecting to fight)
    Bailey
    Abdullaev(olympic silver medallist,beat Cotto in amatuers)
    mailgnaggi(undefeated slick boxer)
    Branco(very fast,only lost1 time,to Gatti and only by points)
    lots of ex champs,boxers,punchers,olympians,granted that he needs that big name but that's lots of very good fighters there with excellent records.

    At 140,Hatton would win because he would maul Cotto and with Cotto being drained,he would fatigue.At 147,I favour Cotto although it would be close.Cotto can fight beautifully on the back foot as seen against Abdullaev and Ndou,his combos and hand speed are beautiful and he would slow Hatton down with body work. Cotto would cut his face if he landed too many times and I believe Miguel to be stronger,so at times,he could puch Htton to his back foot where I don't see him being as effective.

    PBF is a tough fight for anyone but Miguel,in a year or2,would be tough for him too,although I'd favour a Floyd win.

    Miguel knocks Zab out or stops him on body shot,end of.

    I just think if Miguel went to war with Tony,he would lose and if he boxed,Margarito is so effective at working the body and cutting the ring off that he would still lose although I could be wrong.

    Cotto would beat Collazo for me,even though I change my mind about Collazo alot,remember,before the HATTON fight,he took a fight with guy with a 1-1 record and I think he is good but maybe not as good as everyone thinks,more indicative of Hatton maybe?

    Cotto could beat Castillo,as long as he boxed,if he stands toe to toe,he is getting knocked the F out!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    To whomever said Cotto has not fought anyone,you let bias cloud you r judgement and take KT away from Hatton's resume and Cotto has fought by far and away the better opposition.

    Corley
    ndou
    Sosa
    Maussa(before Hatton)
    Torres(whom he was not expecting to fight)
    Bailey
    Abdullaev(olympic silver medallist,beat Cotto in amatuers)
    mailgnaggi(undefeated slick boxer)
    Branco(very fast,only lost1 time,to Gatti and only by points)
    lots of ex champs,boxers,punchers,olympians,granted that he needs that big name but that's lots of very good fighters there with excellent records.

    At 140,Hatton would win because he would maul Cotto and with Cotto being drained,he would fatigue.At 147,I favour Cotto although it would be close.Cotto can fight beautifully on the back foot as seen against Abdullaev and Ndou,his combos and hand speed are beautiful and he would slow Hatton down with body work. Cotto would cut his face if he landed too many times and I believe Miguel to be stronger,so at times,he could puch Htton to his back foot where I don't see him being as effective.

    PBF is a tough fight for anyone but Miguel,in a year or2,would be tough for him too,although I'd favour a Floyd win.

    Miguel knocks Zab out or stops him on body shot,end of.

    I just think if Miguel went to war with Tony,he would lose and if he boxed,Margarito is so effective at working the body and cutting the ring off that he would still lose although I could be wrong.

    Cotto would beat Collazo for me,even though I change my mind about Collazo alot,remember,before the HATTON fight,he took a fight with guy with a 1-1 record and I think he is good but maybe not as good as everyone thinks,more indicative of Hatton maybe?

    Cotto could beat Castillo,as long as he boxed,if he stands toe to toe,he is getting knocked the F out!!
    Good points bro I agree with everything you said. I also agree with Lords Gym about going to the body on Floyd, Castillo went to the body in their 1st fight & I thought thats what had won him the fight. Pity the judges weren't watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Just wanted to see what you guys thought of his chances at 147? I personally think we will see the best of him,no more killing himself to make the weight,maybe increased stamina and that banging power. The only thing I am afraid of is stylistically,someone like a Williams or a Margarito may savage him ,Tony in particular,other than that, I forsee no difficulties for him really!
    He would do good if people like Mayweather and Hatton stopped ducking him. Listen to post fight comment from both boxers when Cotto's name is brought up. They never say they want a piece of him. It's always excuses and Mayweather always talks big in is post fight interview, he always mentions big name but he ends up fighting Joe Loser the next fight.

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    how can you say he would knock hatton out, im sorry but it took collazo 12 rounds to put hatton in any sort of trouble, and despite seeing little of torres, i can say that if he managed to put cotto on his arse and aviod being koed with his terrible defence for 7 rounds then Hatton, even if it was at 147 would be my favorite all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakleyno1
    how can you say he would knock hatton out, im sorry but it took collazo 12 rounds to put hatton in any sort of trouble, and despite seeing little of torres, i can say that if he managed to put cotto on his arse and aviod being koed with his terrible defence for 7 rounds then Hatton, even if it was at 147 would be my favorite all the way
    Collazo has 12 kos and had Hatton out on his feet and Collazo fought a guy with a 1-1 record a few fights before Cotto. Torres had a 98% KO ratio and it was not knockdown,I have seen the fight at least 6 times and it was clearly a push. As long as Cotto carries his power with him to 147,I believe Cotto would win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    To whomever said Cotto has not fought anyone,you let bias cloud you r judgement and take KT away from Hatton's resume and Cotto has fought by far and away the better opposition.

    Corley
    ndou
    Sosa
    Maussa(before Hatton)
    Torres(whom he was not expecting to fight)
    Bailey
    Abdullaev(olympic silver medallist,beat Cotto in amatuers)
    mailgnaggi(undefeated slick boxer)
    Branco(very fast,only lost1 time,to Gatti and only by points)
    lots of ex champs,boxers,punchers,olympians,granted that he needs that big name but that's lots of very good fighters there with excellent records.
    Agreed & very well stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    At 140,Hatton would win because he would maul Cotto and with Cotto being drained,he would fatigue.At 147,I favour Cotto although it would be close.Cotto can fight beautifully on the back foot as seen against Abdullaev and Ndou,his combos and hand speed are beautiful and he would slow Hatton down with body work. Cotto would cut his face if he landed too many times and I believe Miguel to be stronger,so at times,he could puch Htton to his back foot where I don't see him being as effective.
    I favor Cotto at 147 over Hatton...Cotto needs to stay at 147 period. He's looked his worst when he was fighting to make 140. The problem with Cotto vs Hatton is that Cotto would fight Hatton's fight IWO.

    I thought that Cotto was most effective when he was boxing. If you roll back to the Sosa fight...that's when he was the best...after that...he started listening to HBO & believeing the hype.

    He's a much better boxer than he is a brawler IWO. He is not the new Tito...he needs to give that up. He's much better than Tito, IWHO, as I don't really rate or dig Tito...who often gave off a deer in headlights aura once the power shots failed him.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    PBF is a tough fight for anyone but Miguel,in a year or2,would be tough for him too,although I'd favour a Floyd win.
    Being a fan of both...but a bigger fan of Floyd's abilities...I can honestly say that this would be the one fight that Cotto should never take.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Miguel knocks Zab out or stops him on body shot,end of.
    Agreed. Zab down the stretch falls apart & Cotto eats him alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    I just think if Miguel went to war with Tony,he would lose and if he boxed,Margarito is so effective at working the body and cutting the ring off that he would still lose although I could be wrong.
    I don't really rate Margarito. I think Cotto would pretty much wear him down after a long battle. If Cotto would use his defense he could win the fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Cotto would beat Collazo for me,even though I change my mind about Collazo alot,remember,before the HATTON fight,he took a fight with guy with a 1-1 record and I think he is good but maybe not as good as everyone thinks,more indicative of Hatton maybe?
    Disagree totally. If Collazo were to box Cotto...Cotto would lose. I was really impressed with Collazo & his abilities & moreover...his ability to survive. I truly believe that he gives Cotto hell all night on abilities alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Cotto could beat Castillo,as long as he boxed,if he stands toe to toe,he is getting knocked the F out!!
    Agreed. I don't really rate Castillo though...but it's more that I don't like his ass, to be honest. Castillo kind of frightens me for Cotto. Here again, as with Margarito, if Cotto fought smart he could win down the stretch. Cotto would use his defense & the ring to beat Castillo. Castillo's just such a heavy hitter that loves to trade. I think that it's also a bad fight for Cotto.
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    Cotto will do great at 147, he's a blood and guts brawler with a good chin (where he gets hit too much) loads of heart and good power. He already fights at the 150's and hopefully his power carries up to 147, I think he has a better shot at 147 than Hatton.

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    i ALSO THINK HE WILL BE BETTER THAN Hatton at 147.

    Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205
    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    To whomever said Cotto has not fought anyone,you let bias cloud you r judgement and take KT away from Hatton's resume and Cotto has fought by far and away the better opposition.

    Corley
    ndou
    Sosa
    Maussa(before Hatton)
    Torres(whom he was not expecting to fight)
    Bailey
    Abdullaev(olympic silver medallist,beat Cotto in amatuers)
    mailgnaggi(undefeated slick boxer)
    Branco(very fast,only lost1 time,to Gatti and only by points)
    lots of ex champs,boxers,punchers,olympians,granted that he needs that big name but that's lots of very good fighters there with excellent records.
    Agreed & very well stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    At 140,Hatton would win because he would maul Cotto and with Cotto being drained,he would fatigue.At 147,I favour Cotto although it would be close.Cotto can fight beautifully on the back foot as seen against Abdullaev and Ndou,his combos and hand speed are beautiful and he would slow Hatton down with body work. Cotto would cut his face if he landed too many times and I believe Miguel to be stronger,so at times,he could puch Htton to his back foot where I don't see him being as effective.
    I favor Cotto at 147 over Hatton...Cotto needs to stay at 147 period. He's looked his worst when he was fighting to make 140. The problem with Cotto vs Hatton is that Cotto would fight Hatton's fight IWO.

    I thought that Cotto was most effective when he was boxing. If you roll back to the Sosa fight...that's when he was the best...after that...he started listening to HBO & believeing the hype.

    He's a much better boxer than he is a brawler IWO. He is not the new Tito...he needs to give that up. He's much better than Tito, IWHO, as I don't really rate or dig Tito...who often gave off a deer in headlights aura once the power shots failed him.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    PBF is a tough fight for anyone but Miguel,in a year or2,would be tough for him too,although I'd favour a Floyd win.
    Being a fan of both...but a bigger fan of Floyd's abilities...I can honestly say that this would be the one fight that Cotto should never take.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Miguel knocks Zab out or stops him on body shot,end of.
    Agreed. Zab down the stretch falls apart & Cotto eats him alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    I just think if Miguel went to war with Tony,he would lose and if he boxed,Margarito is so effective at working the body and cutting the ring off that he would still lose although I could be wrong.
    I don't really rate Margarito. I think Cotto would pretty much wear him down after a long battle. If Cotto would use his defense he could win the fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Cotto would beat Collazo for me,even though I change my mind about Collazo alot,remember,before the HATTON fight,he took a fight with guy with a 1-1 record and I think he is good but maybe not as good as everyone thinks,more indicative of Hatton maybe?
    Disagree totally. If Collazo were to box Cotto...Cotto would lose. I was really impressed with Collazo & his abilities & moreover...his ability to survive. I truly believe that he gives Cotto hell all night on abilities alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Phenomena
    Cotto could beat Castillo,as long as he boxed,if he stands toe to toe,he is getting knocked the F out!!
    Agreed. I don't really rate Castillo though...but it's more that I don't like his ass, to be honest. Castillo kind of frightens me for Cotto. Here again, as with Margarito, if Cotto fought smart he could win down the stretch. Cotto would use his defense & the ring to beat Castillo. Castillo's just such a heavy hitter that loves to trade. I think that it's also a bad fight for Cotto.
    Great points Wack,CC in 24 but I disagree on one point,just becaue you don't rate does not mean Cotto would win. I think Tony would most liekyl win that fight unless Miguel was on his bike for the whole fight. However,I totally agree,up until the Corley fight,watching Cotto was beatiful example of the sweet science.Froont foot,back foot,power,jab,body work,that left hook which will be legendary 1 day, I think he knows this too which is why in his interviews,he says he will revert to that boxing style/stlking method. I was very impressed by the Branco fight because he did not go in all guns blazing until he knew he had worn Gianluca down.He;s systematic and methodical.

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