Should we be worried? UFC taking over Boxing??

[nigel2smooth79]

I dont know much about UFC is it fixed like WWE

[Lionheart Lacy]

the reason why ppl are thinking boxing is being taken over by wwe and ufc is cos:

WWE- make the best fight the best ( even though it is fake)

UFC - make the best fight the best

thats why ppl buy the PPV's, boxing should be going back to what it used to be. we need more Eubanks, James Toney's, Tysons to get the PPV's back.
guys with charisma who attract non boxing fans to the support.

[SigmaMu]

I can't call it. I like UFC but I like boxing a lot better. If boxing died and went away, I would be crushed. If the UFC disassembled it's actagon and fold up it's tent, I would not care. But the UFC is huge today. Will it replace boxing? Never! These are apples and oranges. The only thing boxing needs is a boost on a local channel mainstream. Contender gave boxing a baby boost and a shot in the arm but it did not have the impact I was hoping it would. It was killed too quickly by coorporate assholes at NBC and terribly critizided by hard core boxing fans. We are our worst enemy. (JMO)

[Lionheart Lacy]

We need fighters who get ppls attention. like the fighter i mentioned above!
them guys made everyone wanna watch there fights. Especially Tyson. Biggest thing since ali.

[Lionheart Lacy]

ALSO THIS IS A BIG FACTOR....TOO MANY TITLES.

tHERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE CHAMP IN EACH DIVISION. THERE SHOULDNT BE A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION.

NOWADAYS NO1 KNOWS WHO THE HW CHAMP IS. IN EVERY ERA UNTIL THE MILLENIUM, EVERY1 KNEW WHO THE CHAMP WAS. THE DOWNFALL FOR BOXING REALLY STARTED WHEN TYSON WAS KO'D. BUT WITH ALL THEM TITLES, NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE CHAMP IS. EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THE UFC HW CHAMP IS OR THE PRIDE CHAMP, COS THEY ONLY HAVE ONE AT EACH WEIGHT DIVISION.

EVEN JOE FRAZIER MENTIONED THIS IN HIS BOOK

[frozensolid_702]

i'll be worried when a ufc "champ" starts making 5+ million a fight.

anybody know what a ufc "champ" makes now?

[Lionheart Lacy]

in the lst PPV, ufc made 35million dollars. their fighters usually get paid quite sh1t. i have no idea what they got this time though. Pride is known to pay their fighters more. Its still less than a million.

Its been a while now, but once when Igor beat a fighter by the name of mark kerr, he was holding up a massive check, i cant remember wheather it said 500,000 or was it 5 million. this is pride we're talking about.

i said earlier

ALSO THIS IS A BIG FACTOR....TOO MANY TITLES.

tHERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE CHAMP IN EACH DIVISION. THERE SHOULDNT BE A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION.

NOWADAYS NO1 KNOWS WHO THE HW CHAMP IS. IN EVERY ERA UNTIL THE MILLENIUM, EVERY1 KNEW WHO THE CHAMP WAS. THE DOWNFALL FOR BOXING REALLY STARTED WHEN TYSON WAS KO'D. BUT WITH ALL THEM TITLES, NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE CHAMP IS. EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THE UFC HW CHAMP IS OR THE PRIDE CHAMP, COS THEY ONLY HAVE ONE AT EACH WEIGHT DIVISION.

EVEN JOE FRAZIER MENTIONED THIS IN HIS BOOK

this is very important.

[amat]

IMO, UFC is going slow down in a bit. It's being marketed as a brutal bloodsport, but as more and more of the top fighters in the world join the UFC, it's becoming a lot more technical and methodical. Joe Rogan and whoever he has in the booth do their best to try to conver a wrestling match as exciting but...we're getting a lot of boos now. And a lot of their big names are getting old, Lidell, Ortiz, Hughes, Shamrock, Franklin etc are getting old. It'll be interesting to see how Dana White adjust to this.

But the Ultimate Fighter is helping them A LOT. It's breathing new life and new names into the division, only problem is a lot of those guys will lose when they step up the competition. Diego Sanchez is the only guy who I think has potential to become a great champion, and he's not even that popular.

I don't know, but when Dana White bought the company 5 years ago, he has had astronomixal sucess into turning it into a cashcow by marketing it as a all out bloodsport. But with all the rule changes for safety, and the greatest skilled fighters coming up with less and less stand up by the minute, it'll be interesting to see how White turns it from special attraction to legit sport.

[amat]

i'll be worried when a ufc "champ" starts making 5+ million a fight.

anybody know what a ufc "champ" makes now?

When Evan Tanner made a title defense against David Terell a while back, Tanner made $30,000 with no bonus for winning. Terell made 15 and would have doubled that with a victory. So.....yeah.

[pacdog]

I think yes boxing has big worries, while i prefer boxing to mma, the fighters in mma fight big name challenges each time out, you dont have to wait a year for a showdown unlike boxing which has become who can avoid who the longest. The cards are better, boxing theres one main even the rest of the fights suck. The huge amount of money boxers make can be partially to blame, poeple tired of ludicrous decisions, pay per view rahman makev are you kidding me I rest my case, I love boxing but they have begun to destroy it themselves, hell when one guy dominates you still scratch your head sometimes because you know the decison might be in question

[smashcrusher]

i'll be worried when a ufc "champ" starts making 5+ million a fight.

anybody know what a ufc "champ" makes now?

When Evan Tanner made a title defense against David Terell a while back, Tanner made $30,000 with no bonus for winning. Terell made 15 and would have doubled that with a victory. So.....yeah.

Chuck Lidell makes 7 figures a year, but he's one of the very few with that big of a contract. In all honesty, I don't think it's UFC that's killing boxing. Boxing would have died even if UFC never existed. There's simply no more superstars, practically no sports media coverage, and virtually no champion with balls willing to take on all comers. The PPVs suck (I use to buy at least 6 ppvs a year, I've bought one the past 2 years), and the fact of the matter is young athletes just aren't going into boxing anymore. They're going into other sports. As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 years from now I'm not even watching boxing anymore.

[pacdog]

cool click smash, i agree totally I think mma will swallow it up because not because mma is all that great because boxing has declined, atletes not going into boxing, horrible corruption, bad marketing etc

[VictorCharlie]

I enjoy both sports. I don't feel that boxing is dying or going anywhere but I will say this: I have bought more MMA (Pride/UFC) ppv in the last year than all of the boxing PPV's over the past 3 years. I train in submission grappling so I enjoy some of the more technical aspects of ground fighting that bore some, but more to the point I feel like I get more for more money from MMA cards. They have 4 or more fights per PPV and they are all usually interesting in their significance good fights. Most boxing PPV's have 2 at the most. UFC and Pride show their fights(meaningful fights!) on free TV. It is very frustrating waiting for the big fights in boxing and the BS decisions that came along with it. The obvious strangulation of the sport by shoddy promoters and the hell spawn that are the alphabet orgs is really sickening. I can atest that getting my buddies in the Army to pitch in on a UFC/Pride PPV is much easier than a world championship boxing event. Boxing needs a governing body with one belt and one set of rankings. It needs an org that will govern it and provide a face to the public and give it more legitamacy and better PR or it will lose a young generation.

[Hulk]

I am probably being selfish.. but no it will not kill it off... in my life time.

Anyone who has the discipline to be a long term boxing fan, learns to love the politics.

What is the fun in getting everything you want?

I would much rather rip my hair out for years, debating the intangibles of a fight. And normally that turns out to be much more fun, than watching the fight itself.

True boxing fans really appreciate it when a big fight comes off...

These WWFE UFC (or what ever it is called) fans, will soon get bored when they have watched all that they have wanted to watch and there no intresting matches left

You may be on to something, Mr. Boxing Historian/Genius. UFC's biggest star, Chuck Liddell has already faced every other star in the UFC he can at his weightclass, Ortiz, Coutre 3 times, and now he is fighting a rematch with a guy he already KO'd. The only fight left for him is outside the organization with the Pride Champ, Silva. With boxing, there is always someone to fight. As soon as a champ beats another star, we are already going "okay, but how would he do against...." And it never ends. Also boxing is much mroe exciting on average than UFC/MMA. Often times MMA matches can be long boring affairs where the two fighters just grapple and do nothing for 90% of the fight.

[amat]

I am probably being selfish.. but no it will not kill it off... in my life time.

Anyone who has the discipline to be a long term boxing fan, learns to love the politics.

What is the fun in getting everything you want?

I would much rather rip my hair out for years, debating the intangibles of a fight. And normally that turns out to be much more fun, than watching the fight itself.

True boxing fans really appreciate it when a big fight comes off...

These WWFE UFC (or what ever it is called) fans, will soon get bored when they have watched all that they have wanted to watch and there no intresting matches left

You may be on to something, Mr. Boxing Historian/Genius. UFC's biggest star, Chuck Liddell has already faced every other star in the UFC he can at his weightclass, Ortiz, Coutre 3 times, and now he is fighting a rematch with a guy he already KO'd. The only fight left for him is outside the organization with the Pride Champ, Silva. With boxing, there is always someone to fight. As soon as a champ beats another star, we are already going "okay, but how would he do against...." And it never ends. Also boxing is much mroe exciting on average than UFC/MMA. Often times MMA matches can be long boring affairs where the two fighters just grapple and do nothing for 90% of the fight.

CC Hulk. Very good point. Especially at the end.