Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?

[bcollins]

"..and NEW WBA Heavyweight Champion of the World.......Monte Barrett!!!"

...I wouldn't be surprised

[ElTerribleMorales]

he's just a slightly bigger bum

[AdamGB]

Is he the real deal? He doesn't have the power or the skill to beat Wlad... I'm 100% with Lyle on this one, I think Peter Beats him.

He's just another belt holder who will fight any one in the bottom half of the top 10 (or below) rather than fighting some one like Toney Or Peter or *shock* another belt holder.

[cockey cockney]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

[Violent Demise]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

After posting pretty much pure nonsense, you actually been making some good sense recently. Good for you. And after giving you over 10, 11 sc's, I'm actually going to cc you for the first time.

[p4pking]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

[1st rd ko]

I neither like or dislike Nick. His record might be built on bums but he still beat all those bums. Eventually he will have to fight a non-bum. Then I suppose we will see if he is the real deal or not. I dont think he is, but he does make me wonder how big HWs will be in 20 years or so. Id guess by 2026 the top 10 HWs will average 6'7" 260 lbs.

[mucho testosterone]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

Of course you don't think he was.

You just lost quite a few points on the credibility scale bub.

[Violent Demise]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

Of course you don't think he was.

You just lost quite a few points on the credibility scale bub.

Like he ever had credibility

[p4pking]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

Of course you don't think he was.

You just lost quite a few points on the credibility scale bub.

Dear god no....

[mucho testosterone]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

Of course you don't think he was.

You just lost quite a few points on the credibility scale bub.

Dear god no....

Yeah I know...no big deal but my objective isn't to make you cry here on the forum (with the exception of the Toney fan bashing thing Sorry ) but cmon..you put me in a really ackward position with that ignorant statement you made.
Marciano is the only heavyweight to retire undefeated and that wasn't due to a lack of fights or his overwhelming size either. He beat Joe Louis to boot. So wtf?

[p4pking]

Personally i really dont like this bloke i think he's a joke. He has seriously not fought ANYBODY and he mite go on to beat Rocky's record......Jesus how poor the HW division is!

Wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen... Rocky wasn't all that either.

Of course you don't think he was.

You just lost quite a few points on the credibility scale bub.

Dear god no....

Yeah I know...no big deal but my objective isn't to make you cry here on the forum (with the exception of the Toney fan bashing thing Sorry ) but cmon..you put me in a really ackward position with that ignorant statement you made.
Marciano is the only heavyweight to retire undefeated and that wasn't due to a lack of fights or his overwhelming size either. He beat Joe Louis to boot. So wtf?

My point was that a fighters record doesn't tell the whole story.. People only look at Rocky and say, oh.. he retired undefeated, wow, he's the greatest. Not anyone on this forum, but friends of mine who don't really watch boxing, and probably the vast majority of uninformed boxing fans think the 2 greatest HW's ever were Ali and Rocky. The fact all his big wins were over fighters who were past it, and he retired very early because his style wasn't going to be effective for any longer... there are lots of HW's who could have retired undefeated and just kept fighting, it doesn't mean they weren't better fighters in their prime. Larry Holmes was 1 win away from surpassing Marciano's record, but he fell short on the 1 occasion after ruling the division for 7 years, and he isn't recognized as acheiving as much, probably because he kept fighting past his best.. Im just saying that Valuev could fight another 4 or 5 decent fringe contenders and surpass Rocky's record, but it wouldn't mean dick all.. Just like I don't feel Rocky's undefeated record means as much as most do. If I lost some credibility in your books, I can live with that... Rather express my opinion thank's very much.

[El Kabong]

Joe Louis and Rocky are the best ever

Ali is third


The reason Rocky's record is so good is because he fought everyone there was to fight whereas VALUEV has fought no one

[p4pking]

Joe Louis and Rocky are the best ever

Ali is third

See what I mean?

[El Kabong]

But I just gave a very valid reason