'Sugar' Ray Leonard heavy handed or not?!

[Memphis]

I dont think Leonard is heavy handed at all. Heavy handed to me means that there is no particular reason for someone hitting hard, they just do.

[Scrap]

Lyle at times you are Hysterical, you come out with some Bollocks

[Scrap]

Menphis When youre Boxing guys that Leonard Boxed heavy hands wont help. But accurate ones will

[El Kabong]

Lyle at times you are Hysterical, you come out with some Bollocks

.....aaaaaaand?

You can't say Ray had the greatest power and you can't say he was feather fisted....if he had awesome power he would have KO'd Duran and not outboxed him but if he had no power at all how could he hurt guys like Hearns and Benitez

[Memphis]

Menphis When youre Boxing guys that Leonard Boxed heavy hands wont help. But accurate ones will

Not really sure what your trying to say Scrap?

[Scrap]

Menphis quality fighters dont get hit a lot. Boxing is a skill thing Leonard boxed in an era of good fighters that made you pay if you missed. In that era there was more competition than now competition breeds better fighters. having heavy hands alone against great fighters wont, or didnt get you to far.

[El Kabong]

Well DUH, Memphis was just asking about the power aspect of Ray's game. He said he could box and move and throw combinations with speed and all that.

His power wasn't p4p great but it was decent....I'd say on par with Mayweather Jr. but not as high as De la Hoya, Mosley, Hearns, Trinidad, Robinson, etc

[Memphis]

To be honest I think Im on a different page to everyone in this thread For me heavy hands is nothing to do with speed power combo's timing etc etc. Its just there and some fighters have it some dont. Maybe Im not explainingthis too well but I understand it at least

[El Kabong]

Yeah I just don't think Ray had the one punch power like Robinson, Hearns, De la Hoya, or Trinidad....he had more speed power than anything else

[Scrap]

I would beg to differ. For a period of 4 years he was the best welter Ive seen, I also lost a lot of money betting against him. He use to hurt people with his jab, and always knew where his back foot was

[El Kabong]

Well hurting someone a knocking them out are different things...like I said he was a Great fighter but not the best puncher....his handspeed hurt people more than anything else, he could flurry like a son of a bitch

[Memphis]

This seems to have spewed into a "was SRL any good" thread. The title asks was he heavy handed. IMO he wasnt heavy handed, nothing like it.

[El Kabong]

Agreed Great fighter but not heavy handed

Heavy handed to me I think of Marvin Hagler, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Rocky Marciano, etc....those guys didn't have the combination skill that Leonard had

[Scrap]

Ive talked to about 8 fighters who boxed him, they told me he had heavy hands

[Memphis]

When Leonard came to Bristol last year I asked him if he considered himself heavy handed. He said no.

Beat that.