Trinidad Vs Margarito, an epic slugfest

[p4pking]

Although your outlook is harsh Starr,I see where you are coming from although with the great fighters around at 147,if Tony can get some of them in the ring,he can be just as entertaining,I mean his fights with Lujan etc are entertaining so imagine how great fights with Cotto,PBF etc etc would be!!

Yeah, it will be immensly entertaining to see him get picked apart if he ever fights the best welters or lt middle's, but I have to say I agree with Starr about everything else. by your logic, I used to beat the crap out of my little brother in very exciting fights, imagine how exciting it would be to see me face Trinidad myself.

LMAO,here we go again......

Like I said,Tony has NOT fought the best quality opposition,but he has not fought bums as you try to insinuate by likening it to beating your lil bro(not that your lil bro is a bum!).Like I say,6 heads,Diaz,Gomez,Cintron,etc etc no world class fighter but not bums!! You say they are because you are biased against Tony!

I think my little brothers chin is about as good as those guys though. I never said anything about those guys being bums or Tony fighting bums, I used the comparison of me fighting my brother just to explain the same principle you stated.. Just because a guy has exciting fights against weak opponents does not mean that he will make for exciting fights against the best and that's exactly what you said. If he ever fought Mayweather I for one would expect an incredibly unenetertaining fight, because he wouldn't be able to box on anywhere near the same level and would lose every round, yet MAyweather would have to fight cautiously due to his size and power.. Mosley, Cotto, or Williams vs Margarito would all make for exciting fights imo though.

[Bookkeeper]

Looks like Tito ran away with this one, can the person who voted for Margarito step up and explain why please instead of hiding in the cracks.

[diamonddavestafford]

Is this fight in negotiations? Up until now I have only seen clips of Margarito on youtube, although I hear he is pretty impressive. Trinidad at this point may not be able to keep up with a young and rising star like this. I did see what he did to Kermit Cintron who is a taller, power punching fighter, much like Felix but with less skill and experience. After what Wright did to Trinidad, I question how much he really has left but any fighter who goes to war with him definitely needs to possibly reconsider their strategy. From what I have heard and seen, Margarito is a fighter who will press and exchange with Tito. This could work out very well in Trinidad's favor if Antonio is not able to find an answer for the big left hook; however there is the possibility of Trinidad not being able to make weight. De la Hoya seemed doubtful that Trinidad could even make 154 for a possible rematch. How weakened would he be trying to cut down to welterweight to get at Antonio Margarito? Really I would like to see Margarito take on Ricky Hatton, Jose Luis Castillo or (even though it looks like it will never take place) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[skel1983]

Is this fight in negotiations? Up until now I have only seen clips of Margarito on youtube, although I hear he is pretty impressive. Trinidad at this point may not be able to keep up with a young and rising star like this. I did see what he did to Kermit Cintron who is a taller, power punching fighter, much like Felix but with less skill and experience. After what Wright did to Trinidad, I question how much he really has left but any fighter who goes to war with him definitely needs to possibly reconsider their strategy. From what I have heard and seen, Margarito is a fighter who will press and exchange with Tito. This could work out very well in Trinidad's favor if Antonio is not able to find an answer for the big left hook; however there is the possibility of Trinidad not being able to make weight. De la Hoya seemed doubtful that Trinidad could even make 154 for a possible rematch. How weakened would he be trying to cut down to welterweight to get at Antonio Margarito? Really I would like to see Margarito take on Ricky Hatton, Jose Luis Castillo or (even though it looks like it will never take place) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Have a cc in me mate good points, id advise hatton and Castillo to stay away from Margorito to be honest, i mean he is much bigger man and basically they will be meeting in the centre of the ring, and exchanging blows, i just cant see Hatton being big enough to deal with this similar with Castillo, i dont think Tito would make 147 again but the post was basically a match up of them both in there primes, id say Tito 10th rnd stoppage, i see VD chipped in with his 2 cents " Tito 1st rnd kncokout?" Ok VD!!

[diamonddavestafford]

hahaha yeah i dont see Trinidad knocking anyone out in one round these days...maybe Tonya Harding or Danny Bonaducci...still it is always good to see a legendary fighter make a come back. I was rooting for him in the Wright fight...although i still think he deserved to lose for that stupid hair he came in with. The slugfest I want to see is Gatti and Mayorga...neither have any sort of defense unless you count using your face to block punches as a defensive move, in which case they are in the top 5. But think about how brutal and exciting that fight could be! A toe to toe super brawl between two guys, one whos brain turned to soup a long time ago, one who's isnt quite there yet (Mayorga's brain is still probably more the consistency of stew), but is getting more and more liquidated every day! A brutal, brainless, purely physical slugfest in which a very good possibility exists of both fighters knocking eachother out "ROCKY II"-style.

[p4pking]

hahaha yeah i dont see Trinidad knocking anyone out in one round these days...maybe Tonya Harding or Danny Bonaducci...still it is always good to see a legendary fighter make a come back. I was rooting for him in the Wright fight...although i still think he deserved to lose for that stupid hair he came in with. The slugfest I want to see is Gatti and Mayorga...neither have any sort of defense unless you count using your face to block punches as a defensive move, in which case they are in the top 5. But think about how brutal and exciting that fight could be! A toe to toe super brawl between two guys, one whos brain turned to soup a long time ago, one who's isnt quite there yet (Mayorga's brain is still probably more the consistency of stew), but is getting more and more liquidated every day! A brutal, brainless, purely physical slugfest in which a very good possibility exists of both fighters knocking eachother out "ROCKY II"-style.

Mayorga could never make 147 but if he could he would kill Gatti.. Im talking seriously, seriously hurt him. Just what Arturo needs, to face by far the hardest puncher he's ever fought at this stage in his career.. As far as Tito not knocking anyone out in round one it all depends... If Margarito tried to jump on him early Tito would have a very good chance to close the book right there imo, as I would favour him heavily in the exchanges.. In fact that's the only way Margarito can fight, I think he is just the kind of fighter TRinidad would do well against and I could definetly see it ending early due to the way Margarito needs to take risks and leave himself open in order to get his shots off.

[Rican]

Who would win this battle, I see Trinidad in a brutal 4th round knockout as a result of Margarito trying to brawl with Tito. It would end up an exciting fight in my opinion but I just don't see Margarito having the fire power to deal with Tito present or past.

i think with a really good trainer margarito could be this era's tito...
i think thats where his appeal is, hes an entertaining fighter and he gots hands of stone, also the whole thing with challenging the best and all that promotion has obv done him good...
but i duno man, i think tito is just a tier above him and plus tito is just such a likeable character, mann i could chat all day about tito, but for the sake of not boring yo a** off i'll give prediction..
i say prob 5th or 6th stoppage.. much like the mayorga fight except i dont believe margarito's chin would hold up the same... plus for the sake of arguement i would say tony wouldnt move up further then light middle.. and tito is a bad bad man at welter or light middle
peace

CC. Well written. He does remind me of Tito more than anybody else fighting right now, but his career had a slow start and now he is coming into his own, I need a Cotto fight as soon as possible.

thanks bro cc backatcher!
you want to see a cotto fight? or a margarito cotto fight?..
you know i would like to see it too, i mean there has been small talk of tito and cotto having a fight if they ever happen to meet in a certain division...
and i would like to see if margarito can give cotto trouble! if he could.. i would strongly favour tito in that fight...
but right now? im not too sure of it.. thou i doubt cotto and tito will ever meet
peace

I meant Cotto Vs Margarito, I agree with you that Trinidad and Cotto should or will never meet.

one thing that has bugged me ever since my man tito retired is.. that i just can seem to follow another fighter in the same way as i did tito...
and i always knew he wasnt the best fighter out there and that he was one dimensional, but with his great power all his attributes , how he always fought the big competition, his popularity and all this couple with his vulnerablility was like no other fighter ive ever been a big fan of...
of all the great fighters of recent years like roy jones, odlh, sugar shane, winky wright, etc etc...
they have all had such great skill and attributes that they were barely ever favoured to loose...
but yet tito was undefeated in 40 fights before he fought bernard, and he always took the big fights!!
and now im thinking do i want tito to come back or not?
come back make me happy?..... but risk his record and legacy...
stay retired .. his legacy stays in tact , but the fans still miss him, and if he were to come back and win a huge fight it would double his legacy...
but in 9 out of ten comebacks they cast shadow on theyr legacy and its probably not worth it...
i havnt really followed a fighter like i have tito since he's gone, i dont think theres another like him
sucks! :P.. wish there were more prospects around the middle divisions at the moment... theres a few but none ive taken a great fancy to!!
there was escobedo but he didnt have a great night atall last time he fought!
peace

Yo Body Head, I know what you mean about Tito. I still like boxing, but the anticipation leading up to a Tito fight is like no other I've experienced. I used to have boxing parties when Tito fought and the excitement when he KO'd Vargas and Joppy was crazy. We were hyped!! And then, when Tito fought Mayorga, it was like a blast from the past. We were again hyped!! I miss those days!! I would love to see a Tito-Margarito fight (only if Tony moves up to 160). Their styles are made for each other and the fight would once again create that excitement, and if Tito were to win-ahhh, heaven.

[diamonddavestafford]

Yeah Gatti would have to move up and meet Mayorga at a catch weight if that were to happen. I'd still like to see it though. But not on PPV unless its an undercard. Man Arturo Gatti is ugly. Did he always look like that or is it cuz his head has been turned into a catcher's mitt from getting punched so hard in the face all these years. He just looks like when the wind blows too hard and cold his face cracks and starts bleeding. Im not sayin hes got a glass jaw, far from it...its just the dude looks beat up when he comes out BEFORE the fight, you know what im sayin? Trinidad should look into fighting the winner of the Taylor-Ouma fight if he can negotiate himself a piece of it. And what's the deal with these Leonard Pierre and Paul Williams dudes? I hear they are gonna be the next big thing comin up...

[p4pking]

Yeah Gatti would have to move up and meet Mayorga at a catch weight if that were to happen. I'd still like to see it though. But not on PPV unless its an undercard. Man Arturo Gatti is ugly. Did he always look like that or is it cuz his head has been turned into a catcher's mitt from getting punched so hard in the face all these years. He just looks like when the wind blows too hard and cold his face cracks and starts bleeding. Im not sayin hes got a glass jaw, far from it...its just the dude looks beat up when he comes out BEFORE the fight, you know what im sayin? Trinidad should look into fighting the winner of the Taylor-Ouma fight if he can negotiate himself a piece of it. And what's the deal with these Leonard Pierre and Paul Williams dudes? I hear they are gonna be the next big thing comin up...

I would hate to see it, Gatti could die if he fought any kind of puncher at 147, let alone above that weight.. Like you say he's been battered silly and it shows. As for Leonard Pierre he's a middleweight who was TKOed by Kelly Pavlik a couple days ago.. And was Koed in 1 round by John Duddy.. So I doubt he's the next anything, but Paul Williams is a very promising welterweight prospect.. I just wish he was fighting a decent opponent tomorrow night.. Collazo vs Williams would have been great.

[diamonddavestafford]

Yeah Gatti would have to move up and meet Mayorga at a catch weight if that were to happen. I'd still like to see it though. But not on PPV unless its an undercard. Man Arturo Gatti is ugly. Did he always look like that or is it cuz his head has been turned into a catcher's mitt from getting punched so hard in the face all these years. He just looks like when the wind blows too hard and cold his face cracks and starts bleeding. Im not sayin hes got a glass jaw, far from it...its just the dude looks beat up when he comes out BEFORE the fight, you know what im sayin? Trinidad should look into fighting the winner of the Taylor-Ouma fight if he can negotiate himself a piece of it. And what's the deal with these Leonard Pierre and Paul Williams dudes? I hear they are gonna be the next big thing comin up...

I would hate to see it, Gatti could die if he fought any kind of puncher at 147, let alone above that weight.. Like you say he's been battered silly and it shows. As for Leonard Pierre he's a middleweight who was TKOed by Kelly Pavlik a couple days ago.. And was Koed in 1 round by John Duddy.. So I doubt he's the next anything, but Paul Williams is a very promising welterweight prospect.. I just wish he was fighting a decent opponent tomorrow night.. Collazo vs Williams would have been great.

Hahaha no i guess he isnt the next anything lol...right on...i heard a lil about Pavlik too...hes pretty tough then? Im bout to head out to watch the fights right now...let me know what u think of them.

[yoitsdan]

The fight would never happen, prime v prime its hard to say because honestly we haven't see nthe best of margarito, what we have seen recently however is extremely impressive, but its scientific, tito wins for me, however, if the fight was tomorrow, i'd say margarito, just because of form/ ringrust.

[p4pking]

The fight would never happen, prime v prime its hard to say because honestly we haven't see nthe best of margarito, what we have seen recently however is extremely impressive, but its scientific, tito wins for me, however, if the fight was tomorrow, i'd say margarito, just because of form/ ringrust.

It's hard to say. Tito in his prime would kill any form of Margarito we have ever seen. The only way Tony has a chance is if they were to fight now because like you say Tito could be rusty... But Id still have him a huge favourite.. Sounds like you need to watch more of Trinidad in his prime, Margarito wouldn't stand a freaking chance.

[yoitsdan]

Mate I've watched loads of trinidad fights. In his prime I think he would have, its just that we haven't seen the best of Margarito, you can't say how good he is because no one will give him a chance. Tito is an all time great welter and is one of my favourite fighters, but Margarito is like a middleweight, tito is a natural welter, and was never big at the weight when you compare with some of his rivals. Its all ifs and buts anyway, like I said its scientific. I'm just trying to add another side to the argument. Trinidad should come back and fight.

[bigragu]

Tito HANDS DOWN....just under Tommy Hearns as one of the hardest punchers at Welterweight....(though Ray Robinson should be up there too)

I never thought I would pull for Tito on anything...except the mandatory retirement!!! but I see him easily beating Margarine!!