Pavlik wins by KO round 4

[Pantera]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

[tedsares]

Pavlick-Green winner fights Lacey. That winner gets Kessler-JC winner for mega bucks. Why not? It has a nice Euro-American angle thta spells m o n e y!

[skel1983]

Pavlick-Green winner fights Lacey. That winner gets Kessler-JC winner for mega bucks. Why not? It has a nice Euro-American angle thta spells m o n e y!

Kessler v Calzaghe?? Have i missed something you got more chance of Sonny Listen v Joe Louis.

[Hous]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

[Pantera]

I'm beyond it. Everything worked out great for Miranda landing an HBO date and I am happy for him.
Like I said, I'm not trying to make a debate over who really won and why, you just went off on Starr and were wrong in doing so. I thought I should set the record straight.

[Majesty]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked shit to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

[huntin_itai]

Pantera we can go back and forth all day long about who wanted the fight and who did not. I have ended that battle with you.

I have given Miranda props for what he is a guy with excellent power that has little to no other boxing skills. He is far more raw than Pavlik, watch some of Kelly's fights he has far better boxing skills and has power in both his left and his right hands. The guys he fought were also picked by his camp as you say Gibbs was picked by HBO and Kelly did not just win those fights he walked right through them and was never in trouble in any of his fights to this point, he is 29-0 with 26 KO's.

The thing is I have watched the Abraham fight over and over. You must realize that Abraham lasted the last 8 rounds with a broken jaw, Miranda did not knock out a guy with a broken jaw.

I really hope that Miranda and Pavlik fight, but for now we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Pantera]

I have given Miranda props for what he is a guy with excellent power that has little to no other boxing skills. He is far more raw than Pavlik, watch some of Kelly's fights he has far better boxing skills and has power in both his left and his right hands. The guys he fought were also picked by his camp as you say Gibbs was picked by HBO and Kelly did not just win those fights he walked right through them and was never in trouble in any of his fights to this point, he is 29-0 with 26 KO's.

The thing is I have watched the Abraham fight over and over. You must realize that Abraham lasted the last 8 rounds with a broken jaw, Miranda did not knock out a guy with a broken jaw.

I really hope that Miranda and Pavlik fight, but for now we will just have to agree to disagree.

How can you say Miranda has little to no boxing skills other than power? The man KO'd Eastman and argueably KO'd Abraham and beat him on points. It takes a lot more than power to accomplish those two feats alone. It's easy to look good and stay undefeated like Pavlik when you hand pick class B smaller guys to beat up on. Send Pavlik to Germany to face Abraham and see what happens, than you can talk, until than STFU!

[TyBuff]

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

After the ref asks Abraham if he wants to fight you can clearly hear him say "no" then somebody outside of the ring starts talking to him and then he turns to the ref and shrugs his shoulders. The ref then asks if he has a mouth piece, then asks him if he is ready to fight and the ref calls time in and they start fighting again. So I would have to say it is not heresay and you need to shut up about it because you are clearly biased about the fight, sc.

[Hous]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked shit to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

Im not neutral? Hmmm Im just not a fan of ignorance because lets all go back to how this started, Star said Abraham lost and Miranda won. I never argued with anyone about who got the better end of the fight because I simply dont give a damn about either fighter. I didnt even know who Abraham or Pantera were until I meet Pantera and some Armenians on another Boxing forum. This fight was hyped but did not deleiver.

Abraham won, if you want to debate that with me so be it. But if you want to talk about their futures im going to ignore you because neither impressed me apart from Abrahams heart.

[Purist]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked shit to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

Im not neutral? Hmmm Im just not a fan of ignorance because lets all go back to how this started, Star said Abraham lost and Miranda won. I never argued with anyone about who got the better end of the fight because I simply dont give a damn about either fighter. I didnt even know who Abraham or Pantera were until I meet Pantera and some Armenians on another Boxing forum. This fight was hyped but did not deleiver.

Abraham won, if you want to debate that with me so be it. But if you want to talk about their futures im going to ignore you because neither impressed me apart from Abrahams heart.

Fan of ignorance? Yeah if you wanted to debate who won you wouldn't have attacked me for my comment about Abraham quitting with your "Do speak German? Thats heresay? Shut up!" Bullshit

[Hous]

I have given Miranda props for what he is a guy with excellent power that has little to no other boxing skills. He is far more raw than Pavlik, watch some of Kelly's fights he has far better boxing skills and has power in both his left and his right hands. The guys he fought were also picked by his camp as you say Gibbs was picked by HBO and Kelly did not just win those fights he walked right through them and was never in trouble in any of his fights to this point, he is 29-0 with 26 KO's.

The thing is I have watched the Abraham fight over and over. You must realize that Abraham lasted the last 8 rounds with a broken jaw, Miranda did not knock out a guy with a broken jaw.

I really hope that Miranda and Pavlik fight, but for now we will just have to agree to disagree.

How can you say Miranda has little to no boxing skills other than power? The man KO'd Eastman and argueably KO'd Abraham and beat him on points. It takes a lot more than power to accomplish those two feats alone. It's easy to look good and stay undefeated like Pavlik when you hand pick class B smaller guys to beat up on. Send Pavlik to Germany to face Abraham and see what happens, than you can talk, until than STFU!

How can anyone think Miranda outpointed Abraham is beyond me, it wasnt even close in my book. Toney Peter was close, Winky Taylor was close, Abraham Miranda was not close. Miranda broke his jaw, thats pretty much all. The fight was actually pretty damn boring to be completely honest with you. Even after the fight people hyped it "OMG he broke his jaw" yeah thats all that happened...

[CountryBoy]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked S*** to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

Im not neutral? Hmmm Im just not a fan of ignorance because lets all go back to how this started, Star said Abraham lost and Miranda won. I never argued with anyone about who got the better end of the fight because I simply dont give a damn about either fighter. I didnt even know who Abraham or Pantera were until I meet Pantera and some Armenians on another Boxing forum. This fight was hyped but did not deleiver.

Abraham won, if you want to debate that with me so be it. But if you want to talk about their futures im going to ignore you because neither impressed me apart from Abrahams heart.

Fan of ignorance? Yeah if you wanted to debate who won you wouldn't have attacked me for my comment about Abraham quitting with your "Do speak German? Thats heresay? Shut up!" Bullshit

She is sexy and fiesty!

[Hous]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked shit to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

Im not neutral? Hmmm Im just not a fan of ignorance because lets all go back to how this started, Star said Abraham lost and Miranda won. I never argued with anyone about who got the better end of the fight because I simply dont give a damn about either fighter. I didnt even know who Abraham or Pantera were until I meet Pantera and some Armenians on another Boxing forum. This fight was hyped but did not deleiver.

Abraham won, if you want to debate that with me so be it. But if you want to talk about their futures im going to ignore you because neither impressed me apart from Abrahams heart.

Fan of ignorance? Yeah if you wanted to debate who won you wouldn't have attacked me for my comment about Abraham quitting with your "Do speak German? Thats heresay? Shut up!" Bullshit

Wow, I do beleive you are truely a moron.

I saw the fight and I didnt see him quit, infact I didnt even see the supposed interractions you speak of. If Abraham had the balls to step into the ring after the 4th, you cant take that away from him. If he wanted to quit trust me he would have quit. Its foolish to say he quit when he obviously finished a 12 round fight. He obviously didnt want to quit.

[Hous]

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

After the ref asks Abraham if he wants to fight you can clearly hear him say "no" then somebody outside of the ring starts talking to him and then he turns to the ref and shrugs his shoulders. The ref then asks if he has a mouth piece, then asks him if he is ready to fight and the ref calls time in and they start fighting again. So I would have to say it is not heresay and you need to shut up about it because you are clearly biased about the fight, sc.

How am I biased?