Holyfield now ranked 16th by WBC!!

[Hulk]

Yes, he should not be ranked lower after beating a credible opponent in Oquendo. But 16th is fair. He is not in the top 10, but top 20 right now. Also Don King don't a give a fuk about anyone but Don King. We all knew that already. He's a POS.

[bigragu]

i'm a big fan of evanders, i hope he retires soon before he gets hurt even more then he already has so him going the rankungs is good, maybe he'll retire.........................yeah ok i know he won't but no harm in hoping

just goes to show how bad the HW division is....

[El Kabong]

It's not bad you guys can't see the angles they are giving Holyfield....the EXPECT Evander to beat these guys so he can work his way up the ladder to get his ass kicked.

Think of how Rahman worked his way into contention by fighting: Al Cole, Terrence Lewis, Mario Cawley, and Rob Calloway

I mean Fres Oquendo WAS better than those guys but this version isn't better by much

[benjamming554]

But what I am saying is Evander is a shell of his former self and Fres is even MORE of a shell....it's like Tito vs Mayorga you can't get a good judge of what Holyfield is ready for when he's fighting a guy who's 21-11-1 and then a guy who has struggled with a sorry a** fighter after taking a long layoff.

Evander might look like the best new thing in the division but he hasn't fought anyone NEAR a contender status....Oquendo WAS a contender at one time but obviously not anymore.

You cannot judge Holyfield on what he has done vs two bums, he's going to get killed and it's idiot fans like yourself who would let Evander hop in the ring with a guy like Wladimir, Sam Peter, or Nicolay Valuev

Ok Genius, since when is it up to me or any other fan to decide if a boxer can fight?? That decision is Holyfeld's decision and Holyfield's alone!! It's spoiled little mama's boys like yourself that need somebody "anybody" to tell them what to do and when to do it. Do you honestly think that somebody else should make the decision for Holyfield?? Are you one of those guys that thinks the government should tell it's people what to spend there money on and how?? And how was Fres a shell of his former self?? I got news for you chief, Fres was never that special and he never really had a prime. Because everytime the spot light was on him he failed miserably. Fres was just as horrible when he fought Holyfield as he was against anyone else he fought!! But you can't argue that he was a contender and I also believe he was the favorite to win the fight as well. Holyfield may be a shell of his former self I"m not arguing that. But what I am saying is that shell might be enough for him to accomplish his dream of regaining the championship.

[benjamming554]

It's not bad you guys can't see the angles they are giving Holyfield....the EXPECT Evander to beat these guys so he can work his way up the ladder to get his a** kicked.

Think of how Rahman worked his way into contention by fighting: Al Cole, Terrence Lewis, Mario Cawley, and Rob Calloway

I mean Fres Oquendo WAS better than those guys but this version isn't better by much

Funny how you keep talking about "this version of Fres" and "that version of Fres". Fres never had a different version. He has always been the same. He may of had some horrible performances but he has never had a great performance. Fres has and always will be a stepping stone for other contenders. I'm not sure, but wasn't he even a favorite to beat Holyfield in there fight?

[Hulk]

It's not bad you guys can't see the angles they are giving Holyfield....the EXPECT Evander to beat these guys so he can work his way up the ladder to get his a** kicked.

Think of how Rahman worked his way into contention by fighting: Al Cole, Terrence Lewis, Mario Cawley, and Rob Calloway

I mean Fres Oquendo WAS better than those guys but this version isn't better by much

Funny how you keep talking about "this version of Fres" and "that version of Fres". Fres never had a different version. He has always been the same. He may of had some horrible performances but he has never had a great performance. Fres has and always will be a stepping stone for other contenders. I'm not sure, but wasn't he even a favorite to beat Holyfield in there fight?

Fres did beat Chris Byrd once and got robbed big time. And yes there are differnt versions of Fres, just like there are differnt versions of all fighters. The Judah who lost to Baldomir is not the same one who lost a close decision to PBF.

[landmine950]

Evander might be near done. But after watching briggs non fight I KNOW holyfield could beat him!!! take him into deep water (anywhere past the first round for ol' huffy puffy briggs, and drown him!
this is evanders chance. too bad he missed out on sergei. if he had fough evander at that non pace we would have a 5 time champion!!
I dont know if he can beat anyone else. after the donald fight i felt that he should quit. he looked sooo bad that the wouldnt sanction him to fight. That might not be the fans job but it sure as hell is the governing bodies job to protect fighters from serious injury or death and to insure their safety and the integrity (what little it has) of the sport. The fres win gives him some credabilty but time will tell and thats something that evander is running out of.

[Jody Lane]

I wouldn't pay attention to the alphabet rankings: they are purchased, not earned. Here are the only rankings that count:

http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html

I just went to that link and how in the fuck does The Ring still have Ruiz in the top 10. He's lost his last two fights, and got the snot socked out of him by two former MIDDLEWEIGHTS before that. (OK I'll concede the Toney steroid thing, although all the steroids did was make Toney's itits bigger)

[tedsares]

Yes....and Mesi is 15th, Bowe 14th, Tubbs 13th, Morrison 12th and Mercer 11th. This is plain bullshit and is designed to grease the skids of the "Holyfield Dream." This guy just doesn't get it. I'd like to see him fight Corrie Sanders and just end the madness. If he fights one of the Russians/FSU guys or Briggs, he will get decapitated. He is shot; he has no reflexes, he has show muscles that will tire him out, he has no snap to put togther combinations and he is ripe to be ktfo! I am sick of the hype.

[landmine950]

Yes....and Mesi is 15th, Bowe 14th, Tubbs 13th, Morrison 12th and Mercer 11th. This is plain bullshit and is designed to grease the skids of the "Holyfield Dream." This guy just doesn't get it. I'd like to see him fight Corrie Sanders and just end the madness. If he fights one of the Russians/FSU guys or Briggs, he will get decapitated. He is shot; he has no reflexes, he has show muscles that will tire him out, he has no snap to put togther combinations and he is ripe to be ktfo! I am sick of the hype.

Ring has briggs/SL 5/6 ?? they are on crack!!!
My money says that Evander Will beat Briggs in a walkaway!!
You dont really think evander looked worse than those two bums do you??
Even in the Donald fight Evander (although pathetic) looked better
If briggs cant ko him in the first,Evander even at 25% of his best will still out work briggs so bad that shannon will be gassed and quit or be TKO'd
Talk about show muscles that will tire him out?? look at briggs!!! he had a 3 punch per pound output in the sergei fight!!! 3 punches!!!!
Evander's people should put a HUGE pile of $$$$$$ on the tabel to get a chance at briggs now. Its Evanders only chance to beat a top 10 heavy and grab a belt while he still has enough brain cells left for breathing and bowel movements.
Any one else in the top ten i think he loses and maybe takes a beating (unless he finds some old style form and punch output)
He could have beaten Sergei that night and got the belt but
I cant think that sergei could ever have a fight that bad again tho..it just doesnt seem possible

[stavros693000]

im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW! I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.

[landmine950]

im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW! I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.

I agree with you STAVROS after all who did he ever beat or draw as a heavy?? i mean really.....a bunch of unknowns..with crappy records!
..lets see...


James "quick" Tillis
Pinklon Thomas (29-2)
Michael "dynamite" Dokes (37-1)
Adilson Rodrigues (35-2)
Alex Stuart (24-0)
Buster Douglas (had just beat the greatest hw in the world)
George foreman,bert cooper,larry holmes,riddick bowe,ray mercer,
Bobby czyz (tried to follow Evander to HW found it not so EZ!)
lets see who else...oh ya..more nobodys..

couple of mikes...moorer and whats this next one tisson..tyyson..something like that...
Vaughn Bean (31-1)
couple fights
one draw with lennox lewis (isnt that the air conditioning guy?)
where are we now the R'S?? Ruiz,Rahman

hhmm a list...ya he got handled all right....oh hang on..
...those were wins

[stavros693000]

im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW! I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.

I agree with you STAVROS after all who did he ever beat or draw as a heavy?? i mean really.....a bunch of unknowns..with crappy records!
..lets see...


James "quick" Tillis
Pinklon Thomas (29-2)
Michael "dynamite" Dokes (37-1)
Adilson Rodrigues (35-2)
Alex Stuart (24-0)
Buster Douglas (had just beat the greatest hw in the world)
George foreman,bert cooper,larry holmes,riddick bowe,ray mercer,
Bobby czyz (tried to follow Evander to HW found it not so EZ!)
lets see who else...oh ya..more nobodys..

couple of mikes...moorer and whats this next one tisson..tyyson..something like that...
Vaughn Bean (31-1)
couple fights
one draw with lennox lewis (isnt that the air conditioning guy?)
where are we now the R'S?? Ruiz,Rahman

hhmm a list...ya he got handled all right....oh hang on..
...those were wins

i agree with ur list also landmine, it is quite a shitty list indeed, lets see,, dokes was a known crack head!

tillis was a journey man!
pinklon was old enough to be my grandfather(and im 25 by the way)!
alex stewart gave evander a run for his money and tyson blew him out in 1!
buster douglas pulled off the biggest fluke in history and had he came in for the fight in the same shape he fought tyson it would be a different story
holmes was 200 years old and prime holyfeild couldnt put him away,holmes got koed once in his career,can u guess who?
bert cooper is another crack head and he almost beat evander
lennox lewis whooped his arse,but lewis was always over cautious,had he gone in with his big guns he would have koed him
george foreman was/is a fat ,slow heap of sh!t
oohh yeh, and ruiz is sh!T and so is the rock

all i saying is man, that evander was not dominant as a HW like he was at cruiser

[Hulk]

im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW! I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.

I agree with you STAVROS after all who did he ever beat or draw as a heavy?? i mean really.....a bunch of unknowns..with crappy records!
..lets see...


James "quick" Tillis
Pinklon Thomas (29-2)
Michael "dynamite" Dokes (37-1)
Adilson Rodrigues (35-2)
Alex Stuart (24-0)
Buster Douglas (had just beat the greatest hw in the world)
George foreman,bert cooper,larry holmes,riddick bowe,ray mercer,
Bobby czyz (tried to follow Evander to HW found it not so EZ!)
lets see who else...oh ya..more nobodys..

couple of mikes...moorer and whats this next one tisson..tyyson..something like that...
Vaughn Bean (31-1)
couple fights
one draw with lennox lewis (isnt that the air conditioning guy?)
where are we now the R'S?? Ruiz,Rahman

hhmm a list...ya he got handled all right....oh hang on..
...those were wins

i agree with ur list also landmine, it is quite a shitty list indeed, lets see,, dokes was a known crack head!

tillis was a journey man!
pinklon was old enough to be my grandfather(and im 25 by the way)!
alex stewart gave evander a run for his money and tyson blew him out in 1!
buster douglas pulled off the biggest fluke in history and had he came in for the fight in the same shape he fought tyson it would be a different story
holmes was 200 years old and prime holyfeild couldnt put him away,holmes got koed once in his career,can u guess who?
bert cooper is another crack head and he almost beat evander
lennox lewis whooped his arse,but lewis was always over cautious,had he gone in with his big guns he would have koed him
george foreman was/is a fat ,slow heap of sh!t
oohh yeh, and ruiz is sh!T and so is the rock

all i saying is man, that evander was not dominant as a HW like he was at cruiser

CC landmine, that is an impressive list.
And stavros, come one man! I like Tyson too, but face facts, Holyfield accomplished more and whipped Mike's ass. And Mike was HW champ back then, certainly not as good as his prime, but defineately not shot. Tyson wasn't shot till after Lewis KO'd him. Holyfield was a great fighter and deserves more respect than you are giving him man.

[The Promoter]

im sick of hearing about holyfeild,he was NEVER great at HW! I know he was the greatest cruiser weight of all time , theres not a doubt in my mind but at heavy weight he got man handled by the big boys:bowe,lewis.... evanders only claim to fame was he beat a shot mike tyson.

I agree with you STAVROS after all who did he ever beat or draw as a heavy?? i mean really.....a bunch of unknowns..with crappy records!
..lets see...


James "quick" Tillis
Pinklon Thomas (29-2)
Michael "dynamite" Dokes (37-1)
Adilson Rodrigues (35-2)
Alex Stuart (24-0)
Buster Douglas (had just beat the greatest hw in the world)
George foreman,bert cooper,larry holmes,riddick bowe,ray mercer,
Bobby czyz (tried to follow Evander to HW found it not so EZ!)
lets see who else...oh ya..more nobodys..

couple of mikes...moorer and whats this next one tisson..tyyson..something like that...
Vaughn Bean (31-1)
couple fights
one draw with lennox lewis (isnt that the air conditioning guy?)
where are we now the R'S?? Ruiz,Rahman

hhmm a list...ya he got handled all right....oh hang on..
...those were wins

i agree with ur list also landmine, it is quite a shitty list indeed, lets see,, dokes was a known crack head!

tillis was a journey man!
pinklon was old enough to be my grandfather(and im 25 by the way)!
alex stewart gave evander a run for his money and tyson blew him out in 1!
buster douglas pulled off the biggest fluke in history and had he came in for the fight in the same shape he fought tyson it would be a different story
holmes was 200 years old and prime holyfeild couldnt put him away,holmes got koed once in his career,can u guess who?
bert cooper is another crack head and he almost beat evander
lennox lewis whooped his a***,but lewis was always over cautious,had he gone in with his big guns he would have koed him
george foreman was/is a fat ,slow heap of sh!t
oohh yeh, and ruiz is sh!T and so is the rock

all i saying is man, that evander was not dominant as a HW like he was at cruiser

Come on now your being foolish...Give Evander his due, as a heavyweight his legacy(not talent) is far greater than Tyson's...Stop trying to make Tyson look better by demeaning his peers.