How does Mayweather Jr do against some past greats?

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Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video?

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

[Punisher136]

Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video?

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

I'm all for supporting the fighters there are now but saying that they are better just because they're alive during a better time of technology is a joke. Yeah ok some runners are getting slightly faster but everyone else is getting bigger and lazier. Some peoples children.....

[tedsares]

"I disagree....IMO

Floyd is confused on how to go about fighting a guy like SRR who is equal if not better...No make that is better than him in every way...SRR by UD

I also disagree about Hearns...IMO at 147 Tommy KO's him
At 140 IMO Pryor is to much for him
I agree with all the rest" Huh? Did I not say that both SRL AND th BEAT HIM?

[tedsares]

bilbo, i AM 69 YEARS OLD FOR CHRIST SAKES, YEAH, I HAVE WATCHED A FEW THOUSNAD FIGHTS! :

[tedsares]

Sean, I have seen them all fight and in their prime....even SRR....and many live. No I can't say that I'm a buddy of PBF, but I do know Roger.

[DaxxKahn]

"I disagree....IMO

Floyd is confused on how to go about fighting a guy like SRR who is equal if not better...No make that is better than him in every way...SRR by UD

I also disagree about Hearns...IMO at 147 Tommy KO's him
At 140 IMO Pryor is to much for him
I agree with all the rest" Huh? Did I not say that both SRL AND th BEAT HIM?

my mistake....on SRR IMO he would KO PBF....you picked him by dec and hearns by dec and IMO both KO him

[tedsares]

El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF.

[Lords Gym]

Its all about the weight and ring size with Floyd.. at 135 he beats anyone. at the higher weights in a smaller ring he would have some troubles. with his hands and have troubles getting away from some of those legends , who might be able to cut off a smaller ring. . However in a big ring ( The kind Floyd usually fights in 24-27 foot . Mayweather can't be touched by anyone ! the man can use that ring like nobody .

Get Floyd in a 16 footer with Duran in his prime.. I'd damn sure watch it ! now we talking a good fight there !

[tedsares]

Lords Gym, that's the real problem, you have to hypothezie that they both come in at the same weight and both in thier respective primes.

[tedsares]

Here is the supporting narrative from the eralier piece:

"Mayweather vs. The elite of the 80's" and then some Old School Guys"

Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather, 37- 0 with 24 ko's, is undefeated since making his pro debut on October 11, 1996. And since 2005, he has been rated by The Ring magazine as the number one pound-for-pound boxer in the world. Incredibly, he has won four world boxing championships in four different weight classes and we may not yet have seen his best. Clearly, he is one of the most talented young fighters in the world. Blessed with speed, stamina, power, sharp punching and great defense, he is presently at the top of most Pound- For-Pound rankings in the world. Some of his victims have included Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Zab Judah, Jose Luis Castillo (twice), and, of course, Diego Corrales. As a 'purist," I find the level of his all around skills not only uncommonly high, but exciting to watch as well.

Fighters like "Pretty Boy" don't come around that often. When he faces Oscar De La Hoya next year, he will have a chance to pour some cement onto his legacy, but if he wins and retires, that will be a major mistake that will haunt him for ever. But let's take a look at how he would do against the elite of another generation.

Sugar Ray Leonard. 35 - 3-1 with 25 ko's. Like Ali, he was equipped with speed, ability and charisma, Sugar Ray Leonard filled the boxing void left when Muhammad Ali retired in 1981. With the American public in search of a new boxing superstar, Leonard came along at just the right moment. An Olympic Gold Medal winner, he was named Fighter of the Decade for the 1980s. He won an unprecedented five world titles in five weight classes and competed in some of the era's most memorable bouts. He beat Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Benitez, Kalule and that alone is a platform for entry into the Hall of Fame. There were few better and more ruthless closers in boxing history.



Thomas "Hitman" Hearns, 61 - 5 1 with 48 ko's, The "Hitman" was synonymous with excitement. He ko'd Duran, Cuevas, Roldan, Andries, Gazo, Gazo, LaPaglia, Maynard and Hutchings in brutal fashion and beat Hill and Benitez with technique. Fought classics with Hagler and Leonard. Pure one-punch ko power off a long sledgehammer overhand right which usually followed a classic jab. Uniquely built with a broad back and freakish reach which added up to a destructive killing machine. Still fighting hand picked opponents but he needs to retire for good. Another slam dunk for the Hall.



Question: How does PBF do against SRL? Same outcome as Leonard but in a different manner. This time, PBF is in with a new kind of menace, one that is very strong and one that is very powerful. All it will take is one straight right hand down the pipe to turn the fight, after which the Pretty Boy will go on his bike and lose a UD. Sure, Floyd beat a tall Correlas, but Hearns will not be distracted from out-of-the ring issues as was Diego. Hearns will be focused, fit and ready. However, I.e. Will need to avoid in-fighting with Pretty Boy.

Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran, 103 -16 with 70 ko's. Regarded by many as the greatest lightweight of all-time and one of the top 5 best pound for pound fighters ever. He held world titles at four different weights: lightweight (1972-79), welterweight (1980), junior middleweight (1983-84) and middleweight (1989). He was also the only boxer to have fought in five different decades. After he mounted a comeback, he beat hall of Famer Pepino Cuevas by knock-out. Against WBA Junior middleweight champion Davey Moore in June 1983, he showed his savage side by trying to deliberately hurt him as much as possible. Finally, the fight was stopped in the eighth round as Moore was taking a horrific bloody beating. Duran had won his third world title and the crowd was up and roaring, "Dooooooran, Dooooooran...." He later beat Iran "The Blade" Barkley to cop his final championship.

Question: PBF vs. Duran: This time PBF wins with speed and guile, staying safely away from Duran's brutal body attack and no-holds-barred tactics. Roberto will soon find out that PBF is no Barkley or Moore and is as fast as Sugar Ray and far better then Benitez. Floyd's stick and move attack punctuated with crisp and accurate counter punching will frustrate Duran and send him down to a UD loss. Styles make fights and Duran's is perfect for PBF as long as he stays away from in fighting.

The exact same thing would occur if Floyd met Alexis Arguello who, like Hearns, possessed one punch knock out power in his straight right, but would be far too slow for the elusive Pretty Boy. His style would be a perfect one for the pretty Boy to exploit.

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor. 38 - 1 with 35 KO'S. Not unlike Tito Trinidad, Saad Muhammad, Danny "Little Red" Lopez and Jaime Garza, Pryor would frequently get off the canvas to knock out his opponents. And this only added to the excitement of his fights. His immense skill-set and determination earned him the chance to fight legendary Colombian champion, Antonio Cervantes in August of 1980. Pryor stopped Cervantes in four dominant rounds, and his career took off. After a number of wins, he fought and stopped Alexis Arguello in a classic ebb and flow battle in 1982. Ring Magazine called it both the fight of the year and the fight of the decade. He easily ko'd Arguello in their rematch. The "Hawk" defended his title as the Jr. Welterweight champion 11 times before retiring in 1991.



If he fought Mayweather, it would be an extremely difficult fight to call. For the first time Floyd will come up against a skilled opponent with an unskilled style...that is to say Aaron uses an all out wind mill style attack, but knows what he is doing at all times. On the other hand, Pryor will be fighting an opponent with an uncommon skill set. Both will be confused until one figures out the other......and the thinking here is that it will be Pretty Boy but I would not bet on it.

So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

[tedsares]

Well, yeahm there is that...true p4p king

[tedsares]

SeanE , apologies, mate. I responded to you by mistake.

[El Gamo]

El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF.

Sorry bro,I think my man Wacko said PBF beats Hearns not you.Sorry,I should have been clearer.

[tedsares]

El Gamo, I meant Hearns. Sorry for the typos!

[tedsares]

El Gamo, peace