Judo clips - This is what its about

[Howlin Mad Missy]

LOL That's what it's about

[Heavy D]

By the way, CC to Munky and Von for this thread in general. Very interesting stuff and good discussion. Always good seeing that here on our little board

[Von Milash]

Right back atcha, my man. (35)

[Howlin Mad Missy]

get a room you two.

[Von Milash]

Nope. I'm waiting on you Missy.

[Heavy D]

The MMA Forum IS our room. The Man on Man Action room (that whole mixed martial arts thingy is just some random words to cover up the gay sex that the sport really is)

[Von Milash]

Amazing how few people post in here these days. When I first got her it was a hotbed of activity. Now it's D, Munk, majesty, me and a few radom others from time to time. Van (Childs) is in Iraq, in case you didn't know.

[Munkymagic]

Cheers Von, was wondering where he had gotten to. Hope he's ok.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Nope. I'm waiting on you Missy.

Keep waiting

I think people do check out this forum. Maybe intimidated by the threat of Munkys clothes line approach

[Munkymagic]

Nope. I'm waiting on you Missy.

Keep waiting

I think people do check out this forum. Maybe intimidated by the threat of Munkys clothes line approach

WWF style

Missy would love to get a real man in her guard

[Von Milash]

I'll do it.

[Von Milash]

Hey Munky,

In my amateur view, one thing I've noticed about judo is that the guy who gets the successful throw (and the point?) can soemtimes be the guy who ends up in the more precarious position, or even the guy that looks to have take the worst of the blow. Can you comment on this? Thanks.

[Munkymagic]

Hey Munky,

In my amateur view, one thing I've noticed about judo is that the guy who gets the successful throw (and the point?) can soemtimes be the guy who ends up in the more precarious position, or even the guy that looks to have take the worst of the blow. Can you comment on this? Thanks.

Hey Von, to get the 10 points for a clean throw (ippon) the other guys needs to land on his back with force. A wazari can be scored by making the ooponent land on his back without force and yuko's are 3 point scores given for various things. If a chap is thrown with force onto his back thats the end of the contest. Sometime the 'thrower' can end up in an odd position after the throw has been executed but rest assured the other chap is on his back.

Also it all depends on the type of throw. The very first throw you see in my vid is a drop seionage (one armed drop shoulder throw). The opponent went sraight on his back and to be fair the agressor didn't need the armbar because the point had already been won. If you can point to an example somewhere or maybe in the vid of what you mean then i can look at it. However in my experience the thrower always lands in the dominant position so that he can go straight into a hold down or sumission if need be. Stands to reason that if your opponent is going onto his back you will follow him down in a dominant position. Sometimes the uke (opponent) will twist out of the throw (not land on his back) but even then he is giving the agressor his back and lining himself up for a koshe jime (like the one you pointed out in the vid)

Almost all the time the thrower ends up the dominant person once is goes to ground. is this what you are asking? Maybe i have misread your question.

[Heavy D]

That's definately one of the things that I love about Judo or BJJ. BJJ seems to be all about pulling guard, or takedowns that THEORETICALLY land you in side guard, but always in actuality leave you in their guard (which many BJJ practitioners consider to be the dominant position). So in BJJ theory, most takedowns leave your opponent in the dominant position.

In Judo, every throw I've seen leaves you mounted/north south or in side guard, with easy access to (generally, from what I've seen) armbars or kimuras. How could you NOT want to learn those types of throws? Especially ones thrown from a clinch-type position, where many fights seem to wind up these days with so many wrestlers getting their shots stuffed. Why wouldn't the wrestler or his opponent want to know more takedowns from that position?

[moonlight19]

All valid points and CC for the vid.

I'm a huge MMA fan and was one of the many misled into believing that many of the "BJJ" techniques were unique to bjj and not poached from Judo and the like.

As for it being the dominant discipline in MMA I think the throws and many of the chokes are very dependant on the Gi (I have no idea how to spell it - but you know what I'm talking about - the robe thingie).

No doubt that an individual that could incorporate those throws that land you in a dominant position and likely transition directly into a submission would be valuable - the only problem is your opponent's ability to knee, kick, or punch you in the face while you're moving in to secure them.

As for Judo as a whole - Thanks again for that video. I had never been exposed to Judo in it's pure form and I was extremely impressed with it's explosiveness and excitement.

.............Flying Armbar...............Awesome