I like Jorge Arce but this is getting ridiculous

[Violent Demise]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can't complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don't even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it's like he doesn't exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I'd be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It's OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I'm not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around 'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that's fair or not.

I don't really care about Pongsalek, I assume he'll keep doing what he's doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won't really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I've always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here's Arce, who CAN get on TV, who's becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he's been fighting. There's gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn't necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce's not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he's quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he's fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he's such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I'm sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don't know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who's one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he'll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn't mean he can't boogie.... We'll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

[CutMeMick]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can't complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don't even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it's like he doesn't exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I'd be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It's OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I'm not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around 'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that's fair or not.

I don't really care about Pongsalek, I assume he'll keep doing what he's doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won't really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I've always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here's Arce, who CAN get on TV, who's becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he's been fighting. There's gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn't necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce's not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he's quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he's fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he's such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I'm sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don't know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who's one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he'll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn't mean he can't boogie.... We'll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don't think they've gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

[Rotten Apple]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\'s like he doesn\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\'s fair or not.

I don\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\'ll keep doing what he\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\'s been fighting. There\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\'t mean he can\'t boogie.... We\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\'t think they\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\'m a huge Arce fan so I\'m there.

[Violent Demise]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\'s like he doesn\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\'s fair or not.

I don\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\'ll keep doing what he\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\'s been fighting. There\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\'t mean he can\'t boogie.... We\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\'t think they\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\'m a huge Arce fan so I\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I'm a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don't like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

[Rotten Apple]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\\\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\\\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\\\'s like he doesn\\\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\\\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\\\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\\\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \\\'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\\\'s fair or not.

I don\\\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\\\'ll keep doing what he\\\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\\\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\\\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\\\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\\\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\\\'s been fighting. There\\\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\\\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\\\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\\\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\\\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\\\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\\\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\\\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\\\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\\\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\\\'t mean he can\\\'t boogie.... We\\\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\\\'t think they\\\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\\\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\\\'m a huge Arce fan so I\\\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I\'m a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don\'t like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

I lived here my whole life, but I know what you mean. Cops out here are pretty much assholes. That\'s why I don\'t mess round like I use to. I\'m married with a 3 year old daughter. I consider myself a family man. Family and boxing is what I\'m all about. How about you?

[Violent Demise]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\\\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\\\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\\\'s like he doesn\\\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\\\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\\\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\\\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \\\'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\\\'s fair or not.

I don\\\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\\\'ll keep doing what he\\\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\\\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\\\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\\\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\\\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\\\'s been fighting. There\\\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\\\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\\\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\\\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\\\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\\\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\\\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\\\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\\\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\\\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\\\'t mean he can\\\'t boogie.... We\\\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\\\'t think they\\\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\\\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\\\'m a huge Arce fan so I\\\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I\'m a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don\'t like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

I lived here my whole life, but I know what you mean. Cops out here are pretty much assholes. That\'s why I don\'t mess round like I use to. I\'m married with a 3 year old daughter. I consider myself a family man. Family and boxing is what I\'m all about. How about you?

I ain't married. I got 3 sons, with 3 different baby mommas. I see all my sons on a regular basis. I watch a lot of boxing. I don't care who's fighting. I don't care what language it's in. I've watch boxing with German, Spanish, French and Japaneses broadcasting. Except for the Spanish ones, I don't know what the fuck there saying. And I don't really care. I'll make my own judgement

[Rotten Apple]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\\\\\\\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\\\\\\\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\\\\\\\'s like he doesn\\\\\\\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\\\\\\\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\\\\\\\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\\\\\\\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \\\\\\\'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\\\\\\\'s fair or not.

I don\\\\\\\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\\\\\\\'ll keep doing what he\\\\\\\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\\\\\\\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\\\\\\\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\\\\\\\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\\\\\\\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\\\\\\\'s been fighting. There\\\\\\\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\\\\\\\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\\\\\\\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\\\\\\\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\\\\\\\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\\\\\\\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\\\\\\\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\\\\\\\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\\\\\\\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\\\\\\\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean he can\\\\\\\'t boogie.... We\\\\\\\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\\\\\\\'t think they\\\\\\\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\\\\\\\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\\\\\\\'m a huge Arce fan so I\\\\\\\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I\\\'m a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don\\\'t like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

I lived here my whole life, but I know what you mean. Cops out here are pretty much assholes. That\\\'s why I don\\\'t mess round like I use to. I\\\'m married with a 3 year old daughter. I consider myself a family man. Family and boxing is what I\\\'m all about. How about you?

I ain\'t married. I got 3 sons, with 3 different baby mommas. I see all my sons on a regular basis. I watch a lot of boxing. I don\'t care who\'s fighting. I don\'t care what language it\'s in. I\'ve watch boxing with German, Spanish, French and Japaneses broadcasting. Except for the Spanish ones, I don\'t know what the fuck there saying. And I don\'t really care. I\'ll make my own judgement

That\'s good your there for your sons Listen if you decide to go, let me know maybe we can run into each. I wouldn\'t mine meeting the most controversial member (and IMO best debater) of this forum

[Violent Demise]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\\\\\\\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\\\\\\\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\\\\\\\'s like he doesn\\\\\\\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\\\\\\\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\\\\\\\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\\\\\\\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \\\\\\\'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\\\\\\\'s fair or not.

I don\\\\\\\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\\\\\\\'ll keep doing what he\\\\\\\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\\\\\\\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\\\\\\\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\\\\\\\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\\\\\\\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\\\\\\\'s been fighting. There\\\\\\\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\\\\\\\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\\\\\\\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\\\\\\\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\\\\\\\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\\\\\\\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\\\\\\\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\\\\\\\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\\\\\\\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\\\\\\\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean he can\\\\\\\'t boogie.... We\\\\\\\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\\\\\\\'t think they\\\\\\\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\\\\\\\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\\\\\\\'m a huge Arce fan so I\\\\\\\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I\\\'m a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don\\\'t like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

I lived here my whole life, but I know what you mean. Cops out here are pretty much assholes. That\\\'s why I don\\\'t mess round like I use to. I\\\'m married with a 3 year old daughter. I consider myself a family man. Family and boxing is what I\\\'m all about. How about you?

I ain\'t married. I got 3 sons, with 3 different baby mommas. I see all my sons on a regular basis. I watch a lot of boxing. I don\'t care who\'s fighting. I don\'t care what language it\'s in. I\'ve watch boxing with German, Spanish, French and Japaneses broadcasting. Except for the Spanish ones, I don\'t know what the fuck there saying. And I don\'t really care. I\'ll make my own judgement

That\'s good your there for your sons Listen if you decide to go, let me know maybe we can run into each. I wouldn\'t mine meeting the most controversial member (and IMO best debater) of this forum

I haven't totally decided if I'm going or not. And I taught you were a family man? Cuz I usually roll with a crew of at the most 3. They got a bunch of bad habits (smoke, drink, other things) and always looking to pick up on hoes. You sure that's the right crowd for a family man like you?

[Mrhung]

i know that arce had his heart set on fighting Castillo but now i'd like to see him fight either Darchinyan or castillo conquerer Nobuo Nashiro whos suppose to be Fighting Harada type fighter.

[Violent Demise]

Though Roque Ler IS NOT the thoughest opponent out there for Arce I personally can\\\\\\\'t complain, he waited for almost 1 full year to fight Pongsaklek to clear up that whole Interim shet!! and both the WBC & Pongsaklek just jerked around the whole time.....
No one EVER complained and complains about Pongsaklek I have and for that I don\\\\\\\'t even bother with Pongsaklek any more to me it\\\\\\\'s like he doesn\\\\\\\'t exsist.... As I said before he could hit 100 fights won and I could give a shet!! about his record....

Though I would like for Arce to make a BIG fight theres one thing you gotta understand....

1. Top Rank already had the venue (Honda Center) set aside (No fighters were named at that time)
2. Taking into consideration that other Top Rank fighters have just fought or are set to fight, Arum felt that Arce would be the appropiate fighter to showcase on that night.
3. As I read and understood a BIG fight was being set up for Arce but when Valuev excused himself out of the card, talks of the Arce fight fell through.

Soooo, Honda Center (not a major venue) + No Valuev = Less Money

Why would Arum set up a BIG fight for Arce under these circumstances? When he could hold that BIG fight that there was talks of in Vegas, Staples Center etc. etc. etc. + with another BIG name....
If this fight with Roque Ler was in the undercard of a major card then I\\\\\\\'d be pissed but under the circumstances listed. It\\\\\\\'s OK.... If other lesser Champs get away with it then so can he....


Another thing if I\\\\\\\'m not mistaken Tokuyama has just retired and relinquished the WBC belt, which now Mijares (Iterim Champ) & Kawashima are now set to fight for.... When Arce beat Makepula it was an Eliminator for that belt (WBC) Soooo.... Instead of staying inactive and sitting around \\\\\\\'till these 2 settle this hes gonna take this fight with Ler.....
Better then staying inactive and then looking like Margarito come crunch! time!! Rusty & out of sync...

You really wanna cry foul..... Check out Pongsakleks record...

Honestly, I just expect more out of Arce than Pongsalek, whether that\\\\\\\'s fair or not.

I don\\\\\\\'t really care about Pongsalek, I assume he\\\\\\\'ll keep doing what he\\\\\\\'s doing and retire without fighting one of the real big names. And I won\\\\\\\'t really care when he does retire.

But Arce is such an exciting fighter, and he could do a lot for the lower weights. I\\\\\\\'ve always liked the lower weights, there are great fights at 112 and 115, but you rarely get to see the lower weight fighters on TV.

And here\\\\\\\'s Arce, who CAN get on TV, who\\\\\\\'s becoming a BAD regular, and its nothing but a waste of time with him fighting the guys he\\\\\\\'s been fighting. There\\\\\\\'s gotta be somebody out there he can fight, it doesn\\\\\\\'t necessarily have to be Vic. Although that would be a huge fight to me.

Arce\\\\\\\'s not a ducker IMO. Like I said before I think its his management wanting to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. But its getting frustrating, I love watching Juan Diaz fight but he\\\\\\\'s quickly losing me as a fan with all these scrubs he\\\\\\\'s fighting. I just want to see Arce in a big fight cause he\\\\\\\'s such an exciting fighter.

Agreed, I\\\\\\\'m sure theres someone out there whos more marketable the Roquer even slightly... Theres just too many things that come into play...

I don\\\\\\\'t know much about Roquer, but his only loss was a points loss to Alexander Munoz. Who\\\\\\\'s one of the hardest hitters in lower divisions. Hopefully he\\\\\\\'ll put up some kind of fight against Arce

Good eye... Though we may not recognize Roquer at 1st glance remember that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean he can\\\\\\\'t boogie.... We\\\\\\\'ll just have to wait and see....

Do you know if they started selling tickets for that shit, yet? I want to see what there going for. I am going to be in that area during fight night

I don\\\\\\\'t think they\\\\\\\'ve gone on sale yet but ticketmaster is always your best bet...
Check here..

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09...&minorcatid=33

Tickects go on sale Dec 21, according to fight news. Prices ain\\\\\\\'t to bad. I live in Downey and I\\\\\\\'m a huge Arce fan so I\\\\\\\'m there.

Thanks for the info. It looks more and more like I\\\'m a check it out. You live in Downey? One of my sons lives out there. I don\\\'t like that area to much. Caught a case out there a couple of years ago.

I lived here my whole life, but I know what you mean. Cops out here are pretty much assholes. That\\\'s why I don\\\'t mess round like I use to. I\\\'m married with a 3 year old daughter. I consider myself a family man. Family and boxing is what I\\\'m all about. How about you?

I ain\'t married. I got 3 sons, with 3 different baby mommas. I see all my sons on a regular basis. I watch a lot of boxing. I don\'t care who\'s fighting. I don\'t care what language it\'s in. I\'ve watch boxing with German, Spanish, French and Japaneses broadcasting. Except for the Spanish ones, I don\'t know what the fuck there saying. And I don\'t really care. I\'ll make my own judgement

That\'s good your there for your sons Listen if you decide to go, let me know maybe we can run into each. I wouldn\'t mine meeting the most controversial member (and IMO best debater) of this forum

I just noticed something. Why you a / every time you post? And why the fuck you add them to mine?

[Rotten Apple]

LOL. I don\'t add them to your posts. Believe it or not it\'s a little glitch on my browser. Every time I use a \' it adds a / before it. Why I don\'t know. It adds them to other people\'s post, only if I quote there posts. I apologize for inconvenience.