Tyson vs. Foreman

[El Kabong]

George Foreman was a physical specimin, he was imposing with his size and his power and he was talented even before he got trained up.

Mike Tyson had a spark in him that made him SEEM unbeatable but let's revisit what Big George did....

Muhammed Ali one of (yes ONE OF) the greatest boxers ever was in his prime, seemingly unbeatable for his destruction of one Charles 'Sonny' Liston but an undefeated fighter by the name of Joe Frazier outworked him and knocked him down and that victory was seen as amazing fast forward a bit and we see a young undefeated George Foreman who just DEMOLISHED Joe Frazier knocking him down SIX TIMES.....fast forward again and we see Foreman-Norton....a Ken Norton who beat Ali by Split Decision then lost to Ali by Split Decision.....Foreman once again just blasted his ass out of the ring.


When did Mike Tyson EVER beat a PRIME All-Time Great?....he never ever did....EVER

Mike was a bully but George was a bigger bully and we all know what that means....Mike fights strong for 2-3 rounds (during his prime) and then starts eating power punches and gets dropped for 10 in round 6.

You act like Tyson's defense was just phenomenal when it wasn't....guys were afraid to let their hands go because they were afraid of a counter not because they were afraid they couldn't hit him....Frank Bruno hit him pretty good DURING HIS PRIME.

[JT Rock]

George Foreman was a physical specimin, he was imposing with his size and his power and he was talented even before he got trained up.

Mike Tyson had a spark in him that made him SEEM unbeatable but let's revisit what Big George did....

Muhammed Ali one of (yes ONE OF) the greatest boxers ever was in his prime, seemingly unbeatable for his destruction of one Charles 'Sonny' Liston but an undefeated fighter by the name of Joe Frazier outworked him and knocked him down and that victory was seen as amazing fast forward a bit and we see a young undefeated George Foreman who just DEMOLISHED Joe Frazier knocking him down SIX TIMES.....fast forward again and we see Foreman-Norton....a Ken Norton who beat Ali by Split Decision then lost to Ali by Split Decision.....Foreman once again just blasted his a** out of the ring.


When did Mike Tyson EVER beat a PRIME All-Time Great?....he never ever did....EVER

Mike was a bully but George was a bigger bully and we all know what that means....Mike fights strong for 2-3 rounds (during his prime) and then starts eating power punches and gets dropped for 10 in round 6.

You act like Tyson's defense was just phenomenal when it wasn't....guys were afraid to let their hands go because they were afraid of a counter not because they were afraid they couldn't hit him....Frank Bruno hit him pretty good DURING HIS PRIME.

Young George got hit often, His defense was less than mediocre not to mention he was slow and predictable.. Guys like Frazier and Norton were not fast enough or Mobile enough to make George pay... Tyson would beat George to the punch and would overwhelm him with deadly and fast combo's probably hook to the body, uppercuts and then hook to the head. A Tyson 5 punch Combo is all it would take to chop George down...Which it would George couldnt react in time or even know were to begin to defend....

Were not comparing bodies of work or Legacy's but were comparing this fight and how the 2 of them match up...

[cockey cockney]

Foreman even at his best wasnt a quick puncher. Lets not forget Tyson had very good defence and quick headmovement which imo would give Foreman alot of trouble trying to hit Tyson. Tyson was also very different in his prime to anything Foreman had faced, he was quicker then Frazier, more powerful then Ali. I would go with a Mike UD as IMO he had the superior skills.

[halo]

Just googled Foreman and Tyson and tried to compare their achievements. Foreman hands down. He was Olympic champion. Was 40-0 with 37 KOs before his first loss to Ali. Won five more fights (all by KO or TKO) before his controversial loss to Jimmy Young. Fought 30 more times after that,won all except one by TKO or KO before his loss to Evander Holyfield. Regained the WBA/IBF Heavyweight Championship crown at the age of 45 after beating Moorer via KO 10 round. Final stats: 81 fights, 76 wins - 5 losses, 68 KOs.

Wow. If there was a heavyweight champion of all time category, Foreman would be a strong contender.

[JT Rock]

Just googled Foreman and Tyson and tried to compare their achievements. Foreman hands down. He was Olympic champion. Was 40-0 with 37 KOs before his first loss to Ali. Won five more fights (all by KO or TKO) before his controversial loss to Jimmy Young. Fought 30 more times after that,won all except one by TKO or KO before his loss to Evander Holyfield. Regained the WBA/IBF Heavyweight Championship crown at the age of 45 after beating Moorer via KO 10 round. Final stats: 81 fights, 76 wins - 5 losses, 68 KOs.

Wow. If there was a heavyweight champion of all time category, Foreman would be a strong contender.

Again not comparing body of work, Foreman is top 4 alltime IMO... But I favor Tyson in this match cause of there strengths and weaknesses andhow they each can capatilize on the other

[uNstRuNg_HeRo]

. He beat Frazier who beat Ali in a couple of rounds.

Get your facts right, at least.

You would have never said this if you actually know George Foreman has beaten Frazier in 2 rounds

[X]

. He beat Frazier who beat Ali in a couple of rounds.

Get your facts right, at least.

You would have never said this if you actually know George Foreman has beaten Frazier in 2 rounds

Sorry Mutt - I misread your post (I thought you were saying that Frazier had beaten Ali in a couple of rounds) - If you look at your post, I suppose it could read both ways?

I do know that Frazier got ambushed by Foreman in Jamaica, but was getting stroppy because I thought you were saying Joe had KO'd Ali quickly.

Apologies.

[landmine950]

I Really Like Big George,really.
but i dont think he was in the same class as Tyson at his best.
Maybe I've been poisoned bythe calibre of guys Tyson blew out early on?
Trevor Berbick was a big strong and VERY talented guy. Tyson demolished him. Geoge was a big guy BACK THEN, now he'd just be average.actually he'd be smallish! 6'3 1/2 and about 220 in his prime.
He had poor defense and against Tyson thats the kiss of death. He wouldn't of held on liek a chicken like Bonecrusher Smith. he's have fought and been KO'd

Now that being said let me add. Foreman had freaky power. Big swinging haymakers that somehow knocked guys out!
Even the sort of clubbing punches that should be useless! they look so slow! but they land and the guy goes down! Good example is the Moorer punch. just sort of shortish straight,not real hard or fast, no big wind up or anything and all of a sudden Moorer is down ! and can't get up!! So maybe his deceptive KO punch comes through for himn and he catches Iron Mike.
would of been a good fight just cuz they were both real tough ass guys with a bad attitudes! Hard to imagine foreman like that when you see him nowadays!

[uNstRuNg_HeRo]

. He beat Frazier who beat Ali in a couple of rounds.

Get your facts right, at least.

You would have never said this if you actually know George Foreman has beaten Frazier in 2 rounds

Sorry Mutt - I misread your post (I thought you were saying that Frazier had beaten Ali in a couple of rounds) - If you look at your post, I suppose it could read both ways?

I do know that Frazier got ambushed by Foreman in Jamaica, but was getting stroppy because I thought you were saying Joe had KO'd Ali quickly.

Apologies.

Its alright my friend. I acknowledge my own mistake. And I understand that you are really aware of history. It will be stupid if fans wont know the facts on what is considered the 'Golden Era' in boxing. Heavyweight greats such as Ali, Frazier and Foreman are the true landmarks of boxing. Sorry for being a little rude

[El Kabong]

Guys Mike Tyson's defense was good vs SCARED fighters...Big George never fought scared

What did Tyson have trouble with?

Big guys, power punchers, he got hit mainly with uppercuts and right crosses



I will say anyone who beat Joe Frazier would have beat Mike Tyson. Joe Frazier had the work rate of Tyson and the power of Tyson but Frazier had more heart and I suppose if Tyson had been knocked down by Foreman twice he wouldn't have gotten back up much less 6 fuckin times.

Foreman would easily beat Mike Tyson....I understand the Tyson supporters he did have fast hands he did have good power but his defense was so-so....I mean it didn't work too well vs Bruno or especially later on in his career whereas Foreman has ALWAYS been able to take a punch....he took the same punches from the same Evander Holyfield that KO'd Mike Tyson only Foreman was 40 some years old at the time.....makes you think don't it

[Jody Lane]

Guys Mike Tyson's defense was good vs SCARED fighters...Big George never fought scared

What did Tyson have trouble with?

Big guys, power punchers, he got hit mainly with uppercuts and right crosses



I will say anyone who beat Joe Frazier would have beat Mike Tyson. Joe Frazier had the work rate of Tyson and the power of Tyson but Frazier had more heart and I suppose if Tyson had been knocked down by Foreman twice he wouldn't have gotten back up much less 6 F****** times.

Foreman would easily beat Mike Tyson....I understand the Tyson supporters he did have fast hands he did have good power but his defense was so-so....I mean it didn't work too well vs Bruno or especially later on in his career whereas Foreman has ALWAYS been able to take a punch....he took the same punches from the same Evander Holyfield that KO'd Mike Tyson only Foreman was 40 some years old at the time.....makes you think don't it

I have to agree with everything you said Lyle. Have a CC. Foreman by Kayo is 8 rounds.

[JT Rock]

Guys Mike Tyson's defense was good vs SCARED fighters...Big George never fought scared

What did Tyson have trouble with?

Big guys, power punchers, he got hit mainly with uppercuts and right crosses



I will say anyone who beat Joe Frazier would have beat Mike Tyson. Joe Frazier had the work rate of Tyson and the power of Tyson but Frazier had more heart and I suppose if Tyson had been knocked down by Foreman twice he wouldn't have gotten back up much less 6 F****** times.

Foreman would easily beat Mike Tyson....I understand the Tyson supporters he did have fast hands he did have good power but his defense was so-so....I mean it didn't work too well vs Bruno or especially later on in his career whereas Foreman has ALWAYS been able to take a punch....he took the same punches from the same Evander Holyfield that KO'd Mike Tyson only Foreman was 40 some years old at the time.....makes you think don't it

Cant compare Tyson style vs Frazier style... Frazier had good wobbing and weaving technique and was SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyson bobbed and weaved used the peek a boo to perfection and his side to side movement was tremendous..To me its all when this fight takes place take a 70's Foreman and put him in with a 87 Tyson and then were cooking with gas..But we dont have to get into how Tyson abandoned proper technique as he unraveled...

As a side point also no comparison to how Foreman absorbed the the shots that KO'd Mike....Foreman outweighed Holy by about 50lbs and George just absorbed all Holy thru at him.... George was just a freak in his second career his chin was tremendous and his will and heart was 2nd only to Holyfield back then

[Taeth]

Watch the Morrison-FOreman fight, and then replace Morrison by a much finer fighter/boxer in every sense of the word in every aspect, and you have Tyson... He woulc kill FOreman, who's punches he would easily avoid(in his prime), and he had more power than anyone FOreman fought, and would be able to take him out.

[halo]

I Really Like Big George,really.
but i don't think he was in the same class as Tyson at his best.
Maybe I've been poisoned by the calibre of guys Tyson blew out early on?
Trevor Berbick was a big strong and VERY talented guy. Tyson demolished him. Geoge was a big guy BACK THEN, now he'd just be average.actually he'd be smallish! 6'3 1/2 and about 220 in his prime.
He had poor defense and against Tyson thats the kiss of death. He wouldn't of held on like a chicken like Bonecrusher Smith. he's have fought and been KO'd

Now that being said let me add. Foreman had freaky power. Big swinging haymakers that somehow knocked guys out!
Even the sort of clubbing punches that should be useless! they look so slow! but they land and the guy goes down! Good example is the Moorer punch. just sort of shortish straight,not real hard or fast, no big wind up or anything and all of a sudden Moorer is down ! and can't get up!! So maybe his deceptive KO punch comes through for him and he catches Iron Mike.
would of been a good fight just cuz they were both real tough a** guys with a bad attitudes! Hard to imagine foreman like that when you see him nowadays!

You are probably right. But please look at the caliber of the boxers Foreman went up against: Knocked out Joe Frazier twice, Knocked out Ken Norton, TKO'ed by Ali, Knocked out Ron Lyle, loss via UD to Jimmy Young (controversial decision and was voted Fight of the Year by Ring Magazine), Loss via unanimous decision to Evander Holyfield (who by the way KO'ed Mike Tyson), KO'ed Michael Moorer.

Foreman was 40 - 0 (with 37 Ko's) before his first loss to the greatest boxer of all time, Ali. Tyson was 38 - 0 (with 34 kO's) before his first loss to Buster Douglas.

Foreman's best defense is his Chin. All his losses except for his loss to Ali was via UD or MD (5 losses with one TKO). And if you review that fight with Ali, he was not out of it really. Was standing while being counted out. Tyson on the other hand was KO'ed 5 out of his 6 losses (Tyson's only non KO loss was when he was DQ'ed by the referee after biting of a piece of the ear of Evander Holyfield. Looking at that fight, you can surmise that if the fight would have progressed after the 3rd round, Tyson would most probably have been knocked out again by EH).

So theoretically, you have a fighter in Foreman that was deceptively slow, had freakish power and a granite chin whose knocked out percentage is over 90% in 80 fights, versus a fighter with that can be knocked out, freakish power, fast and a knockout percentage of approximately 88% in 50 fights, that being Tyson. Who would you choose?

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George Foreman -vs- George Chuvalo 1970


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FOREMAN actually looks quite light on his feet here im quite suprised