WBC Refuses To Sanction Barrera-Marquez

[Wacko3205]

F*** the WBC. I swear...it seems that everyone is out to fwock with Golden Boy lately...am I just the one to see that?

if mab can't fight pac, then i want him to fight JMM as much as the next guy; but blasting the wbc is wrong IMO, soto got to where he is by paying his dues and deserves a shot at the WBC, barrera is good enough to fight anyone without a belt IMO, and saying he beats JMM pac wudnt not want to fight him 'coz he was no longer the wbc champ.

I think mab should vacate and fight JMM, but i agree that soto should be alowed to have his shot.

No offense...but from a fan's standpoint...I can not look at it that way. As long as wev'e been wanting this match up of worthy contenders & as long as the rivalry has been building...& then they won't sanction the match over a mandatory.

That's fucking wack & I am honestly surprised that another fan see's it that way.

It'd be like Calzaghe vs Kessler getting blown off for a mandatory match with Manfredo.

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F*** the WBC. I swear...it seems that everyone is out to fwock with Golden Boy lately...am I just the one to see that?

if mab can't fight pac, then i want him to fight JMM as much as the next guy; but blasting the wbc is wrong IMO, soto got to where he is by paying his dues and deserves a shot at the WBC, barrera is good enough to fight anyone without a belt IMO, and saying he beats JMM pac wudnt not want to fight him 'coz he was no longer the wbc champ.

I think mab should vacate and fight JMM, but i agree that soto should be alowed to have his shot.

No offense...but from a fan's standpoint...I can not look at it that way. As long as wev'e been wanting this match up of worthy contenders & as long as the rivalry has been building...& then they won't sanction the match over a mandatory.

That's F****** wack & I am honestly surprised that another fan see's it that way.

It'd be like Calzaghe vs Kessler getting blown off for a mandatory match with Manfredo.

i can see from a fans point its annoying as shit, like i said i want barrera to fight pac or JMM, but soto should be given his chance, what happens if he beats JMM? soto will have to wait again so barrera could fight pac?

Barrera was meant to fight the winner of pac v morales, 'coz of all this promo shit the pac fight aint happening so why shouldn't soto get his shot? alot believe soto to be a good talent, how can you tell him that he will have to wait for his shot because JMM is a bigger name and coming from another wait - now that would be bullshit boxing polotics

FYI if calzaghe and kessler both wanted to fight, calzaghe would of still had to give up his IBF, and kessler his wbc or wba, can't remeber what one (could be both..)

[Wacko3205]

i can see from a fans point its annoying as S***, like i said i want barrera to fight pac or JMM, but soto should be given his chance, what happens if he beats JMM? soto will have to wait again so barrera could fight pac?

My whole thing is this...they have the fight basically signed...a mega fight to clear up positions...& then they toss in Soto...it's bullshit.

Barrera was meant to fight the winner of pac v morales, 'coz of all this promo S*** the pac fight aint happening so why shouldn't soto get his shot? alot believe soto to be a good talent, how can you tell him that he will have to wait for his shot because JMM is a bigger name and coming from another wait - now that would be bullshit boxing polotics

I'm not saying that Soto aint talented...I'm saying why not get those negotiations started prior to the Marquez fight being settled.

Soto, IWO, hasn't paid his dues to get a shot at Barrera over Marquez.

FYI if calzaghe and kessler both wanted to fight, calzaghe would of still had to give up his IBF, and kessler his wbc or wba, can't remeber what one (could be both..)

FPI, I was using Calzaghe Kessler as a tool to get you to see what I was trying to say due to the fact that Kessler has done as much as Marquez has to warrant a shot at his man, respectively.

Joe will have to drop the IBF belt if I'm not mistaken...not both.

[Wacko3205]

Joe will have to drop the IBF belt if I'm not mistaken...not both.

I think that he was supposed to have a IBF mandatory against Stieglitz...wasn't he the IBF #2 ranked man?

I swear he was.

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i can see from a fans point its annoying as S***, like i said i want barrera to fight pac or JMM, but soto should be given his chance, what happens if he beats JMM? soto will have to wait again so barrera could fight pac?

My whole thing is this...they have the fight basically signed...a mega fight to clear up positions...& then they toss in Soto...it's bullshit.

Barrera was meant to fight the winner of pac v morales, 'coz of all this promo S*** the pac fight aint happening so why shouldn't soto get his shot? alot believe soto to be a good talent, how can you tell him that he will have to wait for his shot because JMM is a bigger name and coming from another wait - now that would be bullshit boxing polotics

I'm not saying that Soto aint talented...I'm saying why not get those negotiations started prior to the Marquez fight being settled.

Soto, IWO, hasn't paid his dues to get a shot at Barrera over Marquez.

FYI if calzaghe and kessler both wanted to fight, calzaghe would of still had to give up his IBF, and kessler his wbc or wba, can't remeber what one (could be both..)

FPI, I was using Calzaghe Kessler as a tool to get you to see what I was trying to say due to the fact that Kessler has done as much as Marquez has to warrant a shot at his man, respectively.

Joe will have to drop the IBF belt if I'm not mistaken...not both.

has dropped the IBE, or was tripped, i ony meant joe wud lose his ibf, kessler would have to lose the wbc or wba

by the by no offence with the fYi, jus read my post now, sounded a bit snotty, wasn't mean tot come accross liek that

guess we will have to agree to dissagree on this one, i would rather see marco and jmm fight, and i hope he vacates, but soto has got to number 2 with the wbc and should be alowed to have his shot.

[Wacko3205]

has dropped the IBE, or was tripped, i ony meant joe wud lose his ibf, kessler would have to lose the wbc or wba

Gotcha.

by the by no offence with the fYi, jus read my post now, sounded a bit snotty, wasn't mean tot come accross liek that

Man...shut up. I know you weren't being snotty & you aint gotta walk on eggshells with me. I know what your'e saying & I know you. Youv'e never been harsh or snotty with me, nor I with you...& we sure as S*** aint starting now.You know wacko luvya!

guess we will have to agree to dissagree on this one, i would rather see marco and jmm fight, and i hope he vacates, but soto has got to number 2 with the wbc and should be alowed to have his shot.

Yeah...maybe my love for Marquez clouds my judgement...but I just wanna see my guy perform & get his name out there.

I suppose that Soto does deserve the shot...I'm just hung up on the notion of Barrera & Marquez making a show of it.

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has dropped the IBE, or was tripped, i ony meant joe wud lose his ibf, kessler would have to lose the wbc or wba

Gotcha.

by the by no offence with the fYi, jus read my post now, sounded a bit snotty, wasn't mean tot come accross liek that

Man...shut up. I know you weren't being snotty & you aint gotta walk on eggshells with me. I know what your'e saying & I know you. Youv'e never been harsh or snotty with me, nor I with you...& we sure as S*** aint starting now.You know wacko luvya!

guess we will have to agree to dissagree on this one, i would rather see marco and jmm fight, and i hope he vacates, but soto has got to number 2 with the wbc and should be alowed to have his shot.

Yeah...maybe my love for Marquez clouds my judgement...but I just wanna see my guy perform & get his name out there.

I suppose that Soto does deserve the shot...I'm just hung up on the notion of Barrera & Marquez making a show of it.

i think barrera will vacate tbh fight was almost as good as done (i agree with you on the timing with the wbc was bulsh*t tho)

think oscar will talk him into vacating. hope so anyhow cc'd ya in another thread so can't cc back haha!

[Wacko3205]

think oscar will talk him into vacating. hope so anyhow cc'd ya in another thread so can't cc back haha!

You know...honestly...I'm surprised that Oscar even lobbied for this fight.

Barrera & Marquez are now stars on his roster...& he automatically pits them against each other?

Kinda odd...but it equates to money & also straightening out the Pacquiao rematch situation later down the road...if Arum allows that to happen.

[SweetPea]

Barrera & Marquez are now stars on his roster...& he automatically pits them against each other?

Kinda odd...but it equates to money & also straightening out the Pacquiao rematch situation later down the road...if Arum allows that to happen.

On the surface it may seem odd, but you have to take their ages into account. Both these guys are in their 30s, it's not like they have a ton of fights left in them. If you assume Pacquiao is out of the mix due to legal trouble, then it's smart to put Barrera in against Marquez. If you keep him away from Marquez, Barrera could conceivably lose in an upset to a young up-and-comer, a Juarez type fighter, and then Barrera's days are likely over, and he never gets the big fight at all.
Both Barrera and Marquez are on short-term schedules, they don't really have time to waste months or years fighting second-rate opponents.

[Wacko3205]

Barrera & Marquez are now stars on his roster...& he automatically pits them against each other?

Kinda odd...but it equates to money & also straightening out the Pacquiao rematch situation later down the road...if Arum allows that to happen.

On the surface it may seem odd, but you have to take their ages into account. Both these guys are in their 30s, it's not like they have a ton of fights left in them. If you assume Pacquiao is out of the mix due to legal trouble, then it's smart to put Barrera in against Marquez. If you keep him away from Marquez, Barrera could conceivably lose in an upset to a young up-and-comer, a Juarez type fighter, and then Barrera's days are likely over, and he never gets the big fight at all.

Agreed on Barrera...not on Marquez...& I like Barrera...so I aint playin favorites.

Both Barrera and Marquez are on short-term schedules, they don't really have time to waste months or years fighting second-rate opponents.

Here's the thing on Marquez...he hasn't been in nearly the battles that most fighters have. His counter punching defensive natured style has kept him out of some serious beatings.

Now I aint trying to disagree with you or come off as naive...but I truly believe that that will keep him young in his career.

Make sense? I know it sounds stupid...but Marquez's style has kept him out of some serious scrapes...then again...lately...he's been standing & trading a lot more.

[SweetPea]

I completely get what you're saying about Marquez, he is young for his age. But here's the problem, if Pac is out of the question for now, and you keep Barrera away from Marquez, then who else is there at 130 that's a legit big name opponent for Barrera? No one out there has the rep and cache that Marquez has. If Barrera-Pacquiao can't happen, then Barrera-Marquez is the only other big fight to be made IMO.

And from Marquez's perspective, you know he wants this fight. He's fought all these years and has never got a chance to prove himself against the two great Mexican fighters of this generation, Barrera and Morales. He's not going to pass up the opportunity to go up against Barrera.

[Wacko3205]

I completely get what you're saying about Marquez, he is young for his age. But here's the problem, if Pac is out of the question for now, and you keep Barrera away from Marquez, then who else is there at 130 that's a legit big name opponent for Barrera? No one out there has the rep and cache that Marquez has. If Barrera-Pacquiao can't happen, then Barrera-Marquez is the only other big fight to be made IMO.

And from Marquez's perspective, you know he wants this fight. He's fought all these years and has never got a chance to prove himself against the two great Mexican fighters of this generation, Barrera and Morales. He's not going to pass up the opportunity to go up against Barrera.

Agreed. Barrera's days are either numbered...or already crossed offa the calendar.

As far as Marquez not getting a shot at proving himself...I've always said that he's one of the best kept secrets of 130lbs...looking into it a bit deeper...that might be a curse. I still can't for the life of me understand why he couldn't get the matches.

Know what I mean? I'm sure the easy answer is that it's his style only being pleasing to purists & what not...but that's changed now. I don't kjnow...I jsut really dig on Marquez.

Sorry about the typing...bit wasted at the momemnt. Heh hehe heh.

You might laugh at this one...but I really REALLY wanted to see Marquez vs Harrison...but he can't beat Jack Daniels...so how the fwock's he ever gonna get a shot at Marquez.

[SweetPea]

As far as Marquez not getting a shot at proving himself...I've always said that he's one of the best kept secrets of 130lbs...looking into it a bit deeper...that might be a curse. I still can't for the life of me understand why he couldn't get the matches.

Very good fighter + technical style + not a big name + not a big box office draw= No one wants to fight you.
It's the exact same reasons why Winky Wright never got his big fights until his early 30s.

[Purist]

Thats the WBC's loss not the fans

[Bx730NY]

You know what? I found a silver lining here.....Soto beats MAB and possibly Marquez and then fights Pac. For those that think that Soto is not capable of pulling that of, you either did not see him fight or only respect fighters who have huge names. Soto and Pac is a great fight and we've already seen Pac fight the other two so if Soto does do then why the hec not.