zab super judah

[Taeth]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

He's not any faster than Mayweather, and he isn't as well schooled, and thats why he won't be p4p #1... I could see him being up there in the top 2-3, but if he fought in the same era as RJJ or PBF he wouldn't be top.

what if he were trained by pernell whitaker??

im just curious, cause thats a match made in heaven for both guys

Depends if Pernell Whitaker is a good trainer we don't know yet. Anyways I think the training is the difference between PBF and Zab, and that Zab is a better athlete than PBF though IMO not faster he is overall better in terms of a combination of speed, power they both have great balance, but Mayweather at his natural weight has faster hands, and faster feet.

[Bx730NY]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Come on, man. Growing up there ain't got S*** to do with it. Genaro Hernandez and Paul Gonzalez grew up in South Central Los Angeles (just like Violent D). A place that makes Brownsville look like Disneyland. So I ain't buying your hood up-upbringing excuse either

OK....lol....disneyland. That's cute though. I forgot you're the tough guy in the forum right? Always trying to talk down to dudes and cursing like you gonna put somebody under pressure through the internet. LAME!!!! = YOU

[yoitsdan]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

[SweetPea]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Since you responded to my 5 paragraph post with one sentence of your own, I'm taking that as a sign that all the points I made are accurate.

Come up with a better argument than "don't try to act like you know."

[Violent Demise]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Come on, man. Growing up there ain't got S*** to do with it. Genaro Hernandez and Paul Gonzalez grew up in South Central Los Angeles (just like Violent D). A place that makes Brownsville look like Disneyland. So I ain't buying your hood up-upbringing excuse either

OK....lol....disneyland. That's cute though. I forgot you're the tough guy in the forum right? Always trying to talk down to dudes and cursing like you gonna put somebody under pressure through the internet. LAME!!!! = YOU

What's lame is you actually took that as an insult

[Bx730NY]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

[Bx730NY]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Come on, man. Growing up there ain't got S*** to do with it. Genaro Hernandez and Paul Gonzalez grew up in South Central Los Angeles (just like Violent D). A place that makes Brownsville look like Disneyland. So I ain't buying your hood up-upbringing excuse either

OK....lol....disneyland. That's cute though. I forgot you're the tough guy in the forum right? Always trying to talk down to dudes and cursing like you gonna put somebody under pressure through the internet. LAME!!!! = YOU

What's lame is you actually took that as an insult

If it's disney then make it your next vacation spot that's all.

[yoitsdan]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

Dunno about wuppin, but he win it for sure, although Tszyu is known for giving away the first.

[Bx730NY]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

Dunno about wuppin, but he win it for sure, although Tszyu is known for giving away the first.

C'mon seriously. You didn't see Tzyu wobble from a couple of shots Zab caught him with? That's why Tzyu said no rematch. He gave a lame ass excuse but I knew what he really meant.

[Violent Demise]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

If only all fights were one round than Judah would be an All Time Great. But there not and he's not.

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Come on, man. Growing up there ain't got S*** to do with it. Genaro Hernandez and Paul Gonzalez grew up in South Central Los Angeles (just like Violent D). A place that makes Brownsville look like Disneyland. So I ain't buying your hood up-upbringing excuse either

OK....lol....disneyland. That's cute though. I forgot you're the tough guy in the forum right? Always trying to talk down to dudes and cursing like you gonna put somebody under pressure through the internet. LAME!!!! = YOU

What's lame is you actually took that as an insult

If it's disney then make it your next vacation spot that's all.

Violent D likes fine hoez, strong booze and good narcotics in his vacation spots. Brownsville (unfortunately I been there before) has cracked out looking hoez, water-down booze and cut-it-up narcotics.

[amat]

Background might mess a few people up, but Kassim Ouma came from a civil war torn country as a child soldier. Edison Miranda was homeless throughout his childhood. Boxing has more rags to riches stories then any other sport, I don't care if Zab is from Brownsville, Flatbush, Chinatown or Grenwich, you can't use that as an excuse.

[babyboNe]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

CC yoitsdan and Bx730NY for staying on topic,

in the first round zab did look awesome he did caught koysta suddenly and hurt him, zab is very fast and has more pop then pbf and he carries his pucnhing power in a heavier division then pbf.

the first round was all zab and most of the second round, it was at the very last second that zabs perfect record was taken away, I felt bad for zab, he was very hurt but as a man who took pride at his perfect record zab wanted to get up asap but he got up too quick not allowing his legs to recover and his daze brian to calm, I felt as a man zab deserved to be counted out instead of just ending it like that, because clearly zab had heart to fight more and get up, he wanted to really keep his perfect record and when he got up the second time he look fine and look to had beat the ten count, the round was over so he was gonna get the break to recover more.

but the thing with zab is his chin is suspect and his defense isn't as great as pbf but zab is quicker and hits harder and the more atletic of the two.

Bx730NY, zab does have a bad attitude maybe your right its because he came from brownsville its possible that he has been influence from where he was brought up, but that doesn't change the fact that zab still lacks mature intelligence, guys like ouma miranda pac and eric all live right next to real terror, americas hood aint shyt to the true poverty of the world. in america even if you in brownsville or compton or wherever hood in america your still walking distance from hope and a chance as long as you change your damn attitude and bad ways, where ouma miranda pac eric and other fighters who came from true poverty they stuck at a currupt terror filled country not just a small neighborhood a whole damn country. look at ouna and pac they both come in so happy to fight smiling at every moment. ouma was a soldier as a kid pac was a run away in a currupt terrorist nieghborhood. even today ouma and pac gets treats from terrorist but still both doodes are humble.

the difference with pbf and zab is, pbf has earned to be cocky but pbf is the realest punk, zab is cocky but his more a badass then pbf, zab will talk shit and meet you in the back alley but pbf will be cocky but would only actually fight you with gloves on in a boxing ring. but zab is very immature that's why most peeps don't like him. zad he sounded like a little boy after koyst k.oed him, he was saying it was b.s and now his perfect record is gone jst like that. shyt if I was him I`d be pissed too and I`d feel I deserved to be counted out to ten. but I won't be immature and try to fight the ref. I`d seek a rematch.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden.

I guess I missed the times when Floyd threw a stool, threw his fist in the face of a ref, intentionally punched an opponent below the belt, intentionally punched an opponent in the brain stem, and threw punches at his opponent's trainer during a melee.

Because Zab has done all those things.

Floyd is cocky and arrogant. Judah is often out of control. There's a big difference. And this is coming from someone who is a Judah fan.

Let Floyd lose by what he feels is a quick stoppage in the biggest fight of his life and we'll see how he reacts

[TheCruelBallet]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

yeah I had to chuckle when Zab got sparked...I mean if anyone had that coming it was him. To me Zab looked like he was fighting on nerves the 1st round, but he was still total class in that round. He slowed the pace in the 2nd and got caught on the button, walking backwards. From this point on I cant see him being any more that a gate keeper. He is a great boxer when he can be bothered but the guy just seems to let himself down. I think the main problem is that Zab is just plain Lazy

[sanj16]

Background might mess a few people up, but Kassim Ouma came from a civil war torn country as a child soldier. Edison Miranda was homeless throughout his childhood. Boxing has more rags to riches stories then any other sport, I don't care if Zab is from Brownsville, Flatbush, Chinatown or Grenwich, you can't use that as an excuse.

Well said. Everyone comes from different circumstances, but I'm not a fan of using it as an excuse. Instead of looking for other people from the same background doing bad as a justification, why not look at those who did good. Zab is just a thug, and to blame his background entirely takes away from those who come from similar of worse backgrounds and did well.
Zab takes pride from his thuggish persona (for evidence look at his life out of the ring). You can't have it both ways. He needs to an example to his community.
As for argument's about "if you haven't been there you don't know", then don't make this into a pissing contest. However hard you think life in your community is, I can guarrantee that I've been to places where youngsters have it a lot worse, and still are decent.