Meldrick Taylor v. Zab Judah at 140

[amat]

he should have never fought Terry Norris, thats the fight that messed him up not Chavez

That's ridiculous. That fight may have furthered the damage but Chavez broke his orbital bone and gave him 30 stitches and his first loss. It wasn't the same Taylor that stepped in versus Norris.

Taylor on the Chavez fight aftermath...

"For a year and a half I dwelled on it," Taylor said. "I lost confidence in myself. I couldn't believe I could fall so far so fast. I had two more losses and people wrote me off and I began questioning my ability."

didn't Taylor swallow a dangerous amount of blood in that fight ?

Something like a pint so i heard . He fucked his kidneys up as well it was a career ending beating and to get stopped with 2 seconds left how do you come back from that .

Chavez was a machine .

He swallowed 2 pints in that fight. The inside of his mouth got cut in the very first round I believe and he swallowed blood from then on in the fight.

[LBSCFC]

close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

Zab has never hit the heady heights that Meldrick hit !!

Meldrick was just simply outstanding i dont think for 2 minutes Judah could have withstood a prime Chavez for 5 rounds with his poor defence and discipline.

KT wiped out Judah in 2 rounds .

KT would not have beaten let alone stood with MT .

[althetruthhindley]

yea Meldrick on points for me with late knockdown

[Taeth]

close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had

Are you kidding me? Meldrick could throw fast combinations, but he wasn't as fast as Judah let alone too fast for Judah. Both Mayweather and JUdah have faster feet, hands, and reflexes than Meldrick. The reason Judah loses are 1. focus and 2. his chin.

I think also Kostya Tszyu in his prime would have done well against Taylor. He was a better boxer than JCC, and he IMO hit as hard. He could box anyone, and he had better timing.

[Samson3000]

close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had

Are you kidding me? Meldrick could throw fast combinations, but he wasn't as fast as Judah let alone too fast for Judah. Both Mayweather and JUdah have faster feet, hands, and reflexes than Meldrick. The reason Judah loses are 1. focus and 2. his chin.

I think also Kostya Tszyu in his prime would have done well against Taylor. He was a better boxer than JCC, and he IMO hit as hard. He could box anyone, and he had better timing.

Taylor was far faster in his prime than Judah ever was. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Taylor may have had the fastest hands of any fighter above lightweight in history. It's not even a discussion.

[VictorCharlie]

I'd see this as a MT winning a 9th round TKO

[ICB]

close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had

Are you kidding me? Meldrick could throw fast combinations, but he wasn't as fast as Judah let alone too fast for Judah. Both Mayweather and JUdah have faster feet, hands, and reflexes than Meldrick. The reason Judah loses are 1. focus and 2. his chin.

I think also Kostya Tszyu in his prime would have done well against Taylor. He was a better boxer than JCC, and he IMO hit as hard. He could box anyone, and he had better timing.

judah have faster hands than meldrick taylor i dont think so buddy you always pick current boxers over older ones in most cases which is fine but in this case its wrong zab judah didnt have nowhere near faster hands than meldrick taylor his hand speed is blurring he can throw 8 punch combos in blink of an eye can judah do that kind of speed ??

[LBSCFC]

close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had

Are you kidding me? Meldrick could throw fast combinations, but he wasn't as fast as Judah let alone too fast for Judah. Both Mayweather and JUdah have faster feet, hands, and reflexes than Meldrick. The reason Judah loses are 1. focus and 2. his chin.

I think also Kostya Tszyu in his prime would have done well against Taylor. He was a better boxer than JCC, and he IMO hit as hard. He could box anyone, and he had better timing.

are you kidding. theres no contest in handspeed. taylor probably had the fastest hands of any 140 pounder

[Taeth]

If you guys think combinations is the only thing that makes good handspeed then you are sorely mistaken. Taylor had a probably among the fastest combinations p4p, but combinations are all but useless when your opponent boxes from the outside. Thats why Leonard for all his combination speed couldn't do anything against Hearns on the outside not just because Hearns was taller, but he also punched as fast as Leonard in terms of one punch at a time. If you look at Judah throwing a jab or cross it is much faster than Taylor's jab or cross. Taylor didn't have a super fast jab, single hook, cross. Punching in combinations is more how fast you can move your shoudlers as opposed to how fast you can move your hands, and Judah moves his hands faster. If you guys are going to contest purely on combinations its a rediculous argument because you obviously have either never boxed, or don't know enough about boxing because when your in the ring are guys who can pot shot you with real speed from the outside, and there are guys who have to get inside because they only throw fast combinations. Taylor was one of the guys who had to get on the inside.

[ICB]

If you guys think combinations is the only thing that makes good handspeed then you are sorely mistaken. Taylor had a probably among the fastest combinations p4p, but combinations are all but useless when your opponent boxes from the outside. Thats why Leonard for all his combination speed couldn't do anything against Hearns on the outside not just because Hearns was taller, but he also punched as fast as Leonard in terms of one punch at a time. If you look at Judah throwing a jab or cross it is much faster than Taylor's jab or cross. Taylor didn't have a super fast jab, single hook, cross. Punching in combinations is more how fast you can move your shoudlers as opposed to how fast you can move your hands, and Judah moves his hands faster. If you guys are going to contest purely on combinations its a rediculous argument because you obviously have either never boxed, or don't know enough about boxing because when your in the ring are guys who can pot shot you with real speed from the outside, and there are guys who have to get inside because they only throw fast combinations. Taylor was one of the guys who had to get on the inside.

well im just watching taylor now and he had very quick jab and very quick hands without combinations meldrick taylor is faster than judah and ill watch bit of footage of judah aswell

just watched bit of judah he is no faster than taylor with jab from what i see

[Taeth]

He is faster watch Meldrick vs. Chavez or vs. Mcgirt how can you say his jab is as quick as Judah's? His hooks are after watching more, but that's the same movement as throwing a combination. Meldrick doesn't have very quick hands without combinations I have no idea what your watching, but watch Judah and/or Mayweather and they had way quicker jabs, and crosses. Mosley and Roy JOnes Jr., and even Leonard to a lesser degree are guys who had both lightning fast speed and combinations, but I place Taylor along with Calzaghe in the department of guys who aren't rediculously fast with individual punches, but are quick at throwing combos.

[Taeth]

I just watched Spinks vs. Judah 2, and Meldrick vs. Mcgirt, and Judah faster with his feet, hands, reflexes just like I said. I don't know how old you are or how good of an athlete you are, but watching Judah I saw somebody significantly faster in Judah than I did in Taylor. He came in and out faster. His jab and cross he got more extension and speed on them. Maybe it is because Meldrick doesn't put any steam behind his jab and cross or he has worse technique, but his jab looks pawing and slow most of the time, and when he does put steem on it, it still looks slower than Judah's. His cross same thing.

[Samson3000]

Taylor's faster. Case closed.

[Taeth]

It's case closed. I just watched it slow mo, and Judah is faster. He hand gets out and back faster. So I am right. Timed he is faster. I don't see better proof than that. If you don't believe me get VLC media player, and slow down their fights, and time their punches. After watching three rounds of each in slo mo, and me timing some of their punches on average Judah was faster, and he also had the fastest punches. CASE CLOSED.