Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!

[zhubin]

Not saying De Leon won the fight...but nothing in his performance warranted the huge point differences.

[SweetPea]

Ok...lets say they are not corrupt...then i assume they must either be blind or complete F****** morons. The scoring for both De Leon fight and the main event where a travesty. Call it corruption, moronic, or just plain strange....it is unacceptable.

But do you think Barrera should have won the fight??
Because if you think Marquez won, then I don't see what the big deal is. Sure, you'd like the actual scores to match up with the way you feel it should be, but if they got the right winner, who really cares?
Do you think Barrera would feel any differently if the judges said he lost 115-113 instead of 118-110, or whatever they had it.... I don't think so. To Barrera, a loss is a loss.

[BoxingGorilla]

Do you think Barrera would feel any differently if the judges said he lost 115-113 instead of 118-110, or whatever they had it.... I don't think so. To Barrera, a loss is a loss. - Sweet Pea

Excellent Point

[mike_tha_man]

I think Sweet Pea has a point just because the fight look very competitive and close does not mean that the scores need to be close too. To prove my point lets say that Barrera won six of the 12 rounds in your opinion, and they were very close rounds, the fight should be a draw but i think that just maybe Marquez might have pulled those six rounds (and i still think that they were very close) now all of a sudden i have Marquez winning by a shout out 12 rounds to none. The fight didn't look like that but thats what the scores say. Does that mean that i saw a completely different fight than you Any one sees it this way also

[josef4334]

i would never had any problems of who won the fight as long as the scoring didnt go too far.. i mean.. 118-109 is rediculous. giving a score like that is like saying barerra only won 3 or 4 rounds and the knockdown.. how could rule something a slip when a person stops punching and just knelt forward after a punch.. the deduction was understandable but if the referee called the knockdown barerra didnt have to punch marquez again.... what a disgrace... they did the same thing to pacquiao... 3 KD's in the first. it was a 10-6 round. and then after that the judges never saw pacquiao punch again to give marquez the draw.... why do these people ruin boxing?

[zhubin]

I think AT THE VERY LEAST this fight should have been scored a draw. If anything, i had Barrera slightly winning. So yeah...i think it's a huge deal. But that's besides the point. You can't simply let the judges off the hook that easily. When there is such a huge discrapency in scoring in such a close fight...the judges need to be held accountable.

[CutMeMick]

Not saying De Leon won the fight...

So you don't think he won then wow!!!\
Did you mean 'You don't hitnk he LOST the fight' ?

but nothing in his performance warranted the huge point differences.

This is what I put onm another thread elraleir tonoght....

PDL was the busier fighter caunt how many body shots PDL landed count the combinations PDL landed.....
Look at the pucnh stats..... Gerry was game but the Right hand punch and 1 at a time isn't enough to win rounds.... You gotta throw more then 1 pucnt at a time./
PDL was busy was going to the body, going to the top using his jab his used ring generalship. I really thaought Gerry was gonna go down from the body punches but damn! he took them and kept fighting forawrds throwing his own ounches....

Really good fight and PDL continued to imprive.....

Ecusre my typidn been drinmking.....

[GAME]

When I heard the wide scoring I thought it must go to Barrera now but it just goes to show how bad the game has got .

Even if they have a return , the same thing could happen again. Barrera might do well just to walk away and stick his fingers up to the soprt . 3 of his losses he felt he won . Jnr jones 2 , Morales 1 and now this . He doesnt need people taking it away from him anymore after giving the sport so much .

[The Shadow]

When I heard the wide scoring I thought it must go to Barrera now but it just goes to show how bad the game has got .

Even if they have a return , the same thing could happen again. Barrera might do well just to walk away and stick his fingers up to the soprt . 3 of his losses he felt he won . Jnr jones 2 , Morales 1 and now this . He doesnt need people taking it away from him anymore after giving the sport so much .

I agree to a large extent. But when I heard that initial score of 118-109 I grimaced. Even though I thought Barrera won the fight, the margins were far closer than that.
I agree with your assessment of Barrera flipping the bird off to the bureaucrats of Nevada. Just a shame that fighters like Barrera and Morales, fighters who have given so much to the sport, have been wronged in such a conspicuous way.
I bring up Erik because he was the consummate slugger who always had a ton of skills but couldn't help to get into heated exchanges. Unfortunately he's taken too much punishment in the ring and I think his career is in it's twilight. But there is always a part of us that hopes and prays they have one more bit of magic in them. We've been spoiled by such great athletes and fierce competitors.

[The Shadow]

Something stinks in Vegas, and it isn't the stench of cheap prostitutes.

You my boy Steve....

Suddenly the stinch of prostututes sounfds tasty right about mnow.....

Fuk it. If I was in Vegas, I would have made sure to bring enough dinero to go high-end.

[bond007]

I think JMM won most of the rounds he was putting more punches together throwing combos connecting... MAB used his jab and kept firing off from there.....
I don't man! I mean I think JMM was busier and when they traded JMM got the better of the exchanges for ALMOST all of the round MAb trieddf to wi nthe roufnds by wining mthe last 30 secind of the round while JMM had won IMO the rest fo the round....

I'm watching the fihght right now and he does over and over.... MAB looked good and certainly won some rounds and I personally don't think Barrera-Marquez are a disgrace as yoiur title states on the thread..... But reading your post I don't think youo thjonk they are a disagrce YOU think the judges/scorecards are the disgarace sooo m,aybe you shoufld change the title of the thread to Barrera-Maruqez (The Scorecards are a disgrace) cause the way you have one would think thayt your sayifg the actual fghyters are the disgacre....

Excduse tmy grammmer been drin kkng......

cc If we all notice Most of the fight it was Marquez that was the agressor and seemed that he wanted it more. He pressed the action.

[Bx730NY]

I see people throwing out accusations of corrupt judging, but you have to ask yourself, why would corrupt judges favor Marquez??
Barrera is the bigger name. Barrera has the bigger fanbase. Barrera has made much more money for the state of Nevada over the years than Marquez has.
Barrera-Pacquiao II would be a bigger money maker for Vegas than Marquez-Pacquiao II. There is no incentive for judges to be biased or corrupt in favor of Marquez.

There are plenty of opportunites to criticize boxing for being corrupt, but I don't see how this is one of them.

Very good point.

[Terp]

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

[ICB]

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

punchstats say different

[Terp]

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

punchstats says different

No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.