Arthur Abraham - Miranda .

[El Gamo]

Brutal fight. Pantera should have ben given a TKO. After breaking AA jaw with his fists, Abraham CLEARlY did NOT want to fight on,but was practically forced to by his corner. Pantera did not deserve to be ducked alllll those points either. Abraham did well to survive but mainly becauze Edison for one reson or another took his foot off the gas. Let AA come to a FAIR,IMPARTIAL ring,crowd and ref and I would thikn Pantera beats his ass again.

[Pantera]

Brutal fight. Pantera should have ben given a TKO. After breaking AA jaw with his fists, Abraham CLEARlY did NOT want to fight on,but was practically forced to by his corner. Pantera did not deserve to be ducked alllll those points either. Abraham did well to survive but mainly becauze Edison for one reson or another took his foot off the gas. Let AA come to a FAIR,IMPARTIAL ring,crowd and ref and I would thikn Pantera beats his ass again.

No doubt!

And no, I dont think headbutting is good and it WAS a stupid move from Miranda. But it did not worsen the injury by any means. It just was bad timing and gave Abraham a reason to take a 5 minute break and be worked on by the doctors.

Nobody can dispute the fact that the doctor told Neumann (the ref) that Abraham was unable to continue fighting. Neumann agreed and was stopping the fight and giving the win to Miranda. All of a sudden the German corrupt promoter Wilfred Sauerland (who is no more than a fan at this stage) demands the fight continue and the ref agrees.
The is after Abraham himself told the ref he can not go on.

[SEB]

No truly, when they told him he was going to lose, AA really didn't understand why the guy wans't DQ...I've been in the same position before. When you're hurt at that point, you don't want to fight and risk your health.

Miranda did a foul, giving a heabutt and after the headbutt, the AA guy started to spit blood all over the ring....

The doctor asked AA if he wanted to continue, he asked clearly to the referee, why the guy is not DQ, the referee told him that he couldn't and he will deduct points instead.

anyway, if miranda is that good, he couldn't even finish an hurted guy..

[JohnnyKickAss]

No truly, when they told him he was going to lose, AA really didn't understand why the guy wans't DQ...I've been in the same position before. When you're hurt at that point, you don't want to fight and risk your health.

Miranda did a foul, giving a heabutt and after the headbutt, the AA guy started to spit blood all over the ring....

The doctor asked AA if he wanted to continue, he asked clearly to the referee, why the guy is not DQ, the referee told him that he couldn't and he will deduct points instead.

anyway, if miranda is that good, he couldn't even finish an hurted guy..

Exactly...and Miranda promised everyone a KO...thats what bothers me of Miranda,
who is a great warrior with so much power...to much trashtalk to much bragging...

And you know what the pro Miranda and contra AA people will say about not finishing
AA...he ran all the fight...he hid behind the ref...he put his arms in front of his face...
Not even acknowledging that AA fought 8 rnds with a broken jaw and still being able
to wobble Miranda from time to time...and getting a decision even without the point
deduction...There I said it...

[tedsares]

Did'nt help Miranda that he got some point deductions

But the ref was an American?

[Pantera]

Made in America, bought by the Germans!

[overhandright]

After Pantera disposses of Pavlik and takes Taylor's belts he can unify the titles by facing Abraham in the states or Puerto Rico, if AA has the balls to accept. This would only be fair after Miranda traveled to his backyard and suffered his only loss. Regardless who you think won and how you think it should have ended nobody can argue the fact that the ending was extremely controversial. I think Pantera deserved the win, it wasn't his best showing but he did enough to win despite some bad decisions and fouls.