Could Judah-Cotto & Hatton-Castillo Enhance Floyd's Legacy More Than His Fight?

[Fenster]

Hatton has a resume full of D+ fighters...and maybe 3 C+ fighters.Cotto has to beat Zab,winner of the Margo fight,and probably someone else.Floyd has already hinted that he will fight Hatton.

The thread meaning seems to have gone whistling over your heads

[Daim]

I would love to see Cotto v Hatton,been waiting for that fight for so long.I think if they agree on a catch weight Hatton would take it,but at welter I really don't know,Hatton loves to brawl inside,and to me his style is terrific,some people don't apreciate it but to me he's like a little B-Hop,frustrates you with his grappling tactics but he's very skilled at doing it,big heart and stamina.I see a lot of flaws in Cotto and many people gets pissed cuz I'm a puertorican but I dont praise Cotto like everyone does.Hatton at 140 kills Cotto,at 147 Cotto at 147 can hurt Hatton to the body.I thought that Hatton didn't had a weakness but I discovered that well placed body shots maybe it in his fight against Urango,so let's wait and see what happens with JLC,I think that Castillo can take this one in the bag.

If I remember right Hatton has only ever been stopped once and that was due to a body shot, so he then learned the importance of bodyshots and became a great body puncher. So yeah, thats his biggest weakness and Cotto would take full advantage of it.

BTW welcome and have a CC!

Thanks for the welcome bro,I love it in here.

[the wiz]

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

[Olympian904]

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

[Hairdoo]

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

[the wiz]

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

What top 5 welterwieghts are scared of Floyd?

[Hairdoo]

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

What top 5 welterwieghts are scared of Floyd?

none period.

[Olympian904]

He hasnt been fighting the best every fight...but what fighter has?Jermaine Taylor has been doing it.He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

[Hairdoo]

He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft.

[Olympian904]

He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft.

KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what?they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

[Hairdoo]

He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft.

KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what?they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh.

[MannyP]

He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft.

KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what?they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh.

I don't care if Baldomir had a belt, he's a joke and was never a threat to Mayweather in any way. I don't blame Mayweather for going after him and taking advantage of that WBC belt just dangling out there waiting to be taken, but at the same time there is no way it can be seriously argued that he added to the overall level of Mayweather's competition.

Judah has not exactly been striking fear into anybody lately either.

Also, I don't care who was ranked above anyone else. The ranking system is among the most corrupt parts of boxing. The sanctioning bodies have many criteria for deciding their rankings, unfortunately, very often talent is not at the top of that list.

In my opinion, the best welters out there, in order of difficulty for Mayweather, are

1) Shane Mosley

2) Antonio Margarito

3) Paul Williams

4) Miguel Cotto

5) Joshua Clottey

If he wanted to prove something or add something to meaningful to his record, he could have fought any of these guys. As usual, Mayweather took the easy and safe route and chose to fight none of them.

I'll add this, I think Mayweather probably beats Cotto and Clottey. As far as Williams, admittedly, I have had only limited exposure to him thus far, but from what I've seen I think he might be able to really bother Mayweather. The other two had the makings of a very tough battle for him. He could have won them, or maybe not, but either way he doesn't help his reputation for "fighting the best" when he doesn't even fight any of the top four or five in a division he's just moved up to.

BTW, I don't think Hatton belongs in a discussion of welterweights. That aside, Mayweather would probably handle Hatton easily (I think it's a good match up for him), but he doesn't prove anything against anybody unless he actually makes the fights.

Any of these guys would have been more of a challenge and earned him more respect than just saying he fights the best, then going after Judah and Baldomir.

[smashcrusher]

He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best?because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft.

KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what?they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh.

I don't care if Baldomir had a belt, he's a joke and was never a threat to Mayweather in any way. I don't blame Mayweather for going after him and taking advantage of that WBC belt just dangling out there waiting to be taken, but at the same time there is no way it can be seriously argued that he added to the overall level of Mayweather's competition.

Judah has not exactly been striking fear into anybody lately either.

Also, I don't care who was ranked above anyone else. The ranking system is among the most corrupt parts of boxing. The sanctioning bodies have many criteria for deciding their rankings, unfortunately, very often talent is not at the top of that list.

In my opinion, the best welters out there, in order of difficulty for Mayweather, are

1) Shane Mosley

2) Antonio Margarito

3) Paul Williams

4) Miguel Cotto

5) Joshua Clottey

If he wanted to prove something or add something to meaningful to his record, he could have fought any of these guys. As usual, Mayweather took the easy and safe route and chose to fight none of them.

I'll add this, I think Mayweather probably beats Cotto and Clottey. As far as Williams, admittedly, I have had only limited exposure to him thus far, but from what I've seen I think he might be able to really bother Mayweather. The other two had the makings of a very tough battle for him. He could have won them, or maybe not, but either way he doesn't help his reputation for "fighting the best" when he doesn't even fight any of the top four or five in a division he's just moved up to.

BTW, I don't think Hatton belongs in a discussion of welterweights. That aside, Mayweather would probably handle Hatton easily (I think it's a good match up for him), but he doesn't prove anything against anybody unless he actually makes the fights.

Any of these guys would have been more of a challenge and earned him more respect than just saying he fights the best, then going after Judah and Baldomir.

OMG, you haters are hysterical. This board was going ballistic at Floyd after he chose to fight Judah instead of Baldomir, saying why is he scared of Baldomir and why isn't he fighting the fighter that won, and then he fights Baldomir immediately after and now Baldomir suddenly was 'never a threat to Floyd.' I can see it now, all you idiots saying Floyd is running from Mosley and Margarito and Hatton, but when Floyd fights one of them after Oscar, they'll either be (in order I mentioned), either too old, or overrated from the start, or never a threat to begin with Floyd is sitting all by himself as the #1 p4p fighter in the world and haters can't stand it I love it

[Olympian904]

Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

[MannyP]

Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

Wow, how could anyone think he was? He's smaller, much less reach, slower, no power, and an old man on top if it. What the hell are you people smoking?