Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?

[Taeth]

And that wasn't even close to a prime Lewis. You don't have to worry about a sad click from me because I just gave you a CC.

[Unknowndonor]

Have one right back. Was it me, or did Lewis remind you of Damon Wayans in the "Great White Hype". I mean, he looked horrably out of shape compared to when he had just fought Tyson. His belly was ridiculous. , and he was sucking air in less than a minute. That was worse than the first Rahman fight.

[OumaFan]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...

Most success?

Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..

I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...

People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...

First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.

I agree for the most part. One thing is I didn't have a problem with the McCall stoppage.

"IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. "

The only thing here is the speed part. Lewis was faster than he gets credit for but he doesn't seem as fast as Calzaghe. And I'm not just talking about those slap combos Calzaghe throws, just seems quicker in general to me.

But agree for the most part, there's no way anyone could compare the two fighter's accomplishments.

[Unknowndonor]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...

Most success?





Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..

I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...

People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...

First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.

I agree for the most part. One thing is I didn't have a problem with the McCall stoppage.

"IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. "

The only thing here is the speed part. Lewis was faster than he gets credit for but he doesn't seem as fast as Calzaghe. And I'm not just talking about those slap combos Calzaghe throws, just seems quicker in general to me.

But agree for the most part, there's no way anyone could compare the two fighter's accomplishments.

OumaFan. Lennox did have good speed for a heavy, but I think alot of it was that he had excellent timing.

[Preme]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...

Most success?

Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..

I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...

People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...

First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.

Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..

How much of joe have you seen?

you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...

His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...

i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...

I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...

again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...

as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods


to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!

[Unknowndonor]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...

Most success?

Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..

I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...

People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...

First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.

Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..

How much of joe have you seen?

you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...

His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...

i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...

I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...

again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...

as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods


to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!

Back at ya. I have been watching Joe, long before the Lacy fight. He's had alot of fights on Showtime. IMO, he is one of the best, but hasn't accomplished what Lewis did. I have to disagree with the timing, Lewis had better timing, especially in his later years. But, I do give Joe his props, because he is relentless, and mixes it up anytime. And to be able to keep up his output, even if he does seem to slap sometimes, is incredible for his weight. He obviously trains harder than Lewis, and the only other fighter that may work harder in the gym is Floyd.

[ICB]

When people say about Vitali vs Lewis i remember Vitali hanging on for dear life at end of the 6th not Lewis and McCall stoppage was right he staggered into the refs arms but fair play he revenged it but McCall was having breakdown and really had no buisness being in the ring with anyone at that time still Lewis gets my vote as number 1 Brit.

[Preme]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...

Most success?

Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..

I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...

People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...

First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.

Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..

How much of joe have you seen?

you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...

His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...

i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...

I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...

again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...

as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods


to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!

Back at ya. I have been watching Joe, long before the Lacy fight. He's had alot of fights on Showtime. IMO, he is one of the best, but hasn't accomplished what Lewis did. I have to disagree with the timing, Lewis had better timing, especially in his later years. But, I do give Joe his props, because he is relentless, and mixes it up anytime. And to be able to keep up his output, even if he does seem to slap sometimes, is incredible for his weight. He obviously trains harder than Lewis, and the only other fighter that may work harder in the gym is Floyd.

his training is 90% down to his father joe is pretty lazy and his in ring performances will tell you that...

I know people will accuse im for being a fighter who is content to fight bums at his home, but you watch him fight sum1 who isn't worth jack and he does the minimal to get through it coz he is that furstrated of not fighting a top guy, he fights sum1 who is suppose to beat him (lacy (some will laugh but veit WAs meant ot be fucking good) he wipes the floor with them) its his dad who drags his ass off the sofa to run, train, work out)

but going back to amature years, erly when he had few ahnd probs hiw timing and acuracy was almost perfect... not sure how amny know, but a top doctoer told him before he even turned pro that "you will never be able to ruen pro because you hit so har for your size/weight your hands wont hold up" thatbrings me to my early point about him hardly sparring in the last 7 or so years... even before that its was the bare minimal... whislt every other top boxer was getting a shit load of sparring rounds int o keep their in ring skills, timing and puncihg the best it could be, yet joe was doing a fantasic job without that...

[Dav]

sorry, the cool.sad link to CC/sc people will be undert thier ratings not yours

Thanks Preme... I'll just have to keep plugging away - by the way I owe you one!

[Dark Lord Al]

No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.

Yes you cant compare wot Lennox did to Joe "fightin crap division , and crap fighters " calzaghe

[Bukom Battler]

Good post this. I would cc but can not at the mo.

This is a close call and you can easy make arguments for the pair of them. Based on what they have done thus far I would put Lewis just ahead. I am basing this on competition faced etc. I think Lewis faced the better opposition in terms of name and beat everybody he faced. The KO losses were bad but he was not KO'd or troubled by the bigger hitters. He was out of shape against Vitali and I would argue he was the biggest hitter, maybe McCall and Briggs apart, that he faced and he stood up to them.

When Calzaghe beats Kessler and then beats Taylor (if they meet) then my view might change but either way we should enjoy his fights whilst he is here as he probably only has a few left.

[Pugilistic]

nope big lennox

[hackey100]

I fear that many will say that Kessler was overated if Calzaghe beats him. In fact, this gives me an idea for a poll once there is concrete confirmation of this fight. Actually, I might do it now in any case.