Do you have to suffer a loss and come back to be a great?

[Tito BHB]

Alright heres on for you guys...

Mayweather beats cotto his next fight...

People say cotto is overrated..

They shouldnt do because he is not..Mayweather is just that good...

So say this and consider these options...

Mayweather retires.. another feather in his cap and as good as he has been through the years..

So..

Cotto retires.. People are unforgiving of cotto and some will say he was overrated.. Others will say he has no heart etc.. Ala Prince nas

Or.. He continues on .. Regains a world title and continues to beat great fighters.. Not only does cotto's legacy increase...But mayweathers does as cotto is more worthy an opponent having prooved himself..

[Wacko3205]

Funny thing, i was thinking about this in work today(my jobs sucks so i veg alot and was gunna post it, forgot and just seen what eubank said about calzaghe...

Good question...excellent post.

Alright...here's the thing...fuck what Eubank said about Joe...he's been bitter since he got his ass handed to him. Joe's a great fighter & he has fought everyone worth a damn in his division. The only people that he has missed have lost in the following 12 month period of passing Joe on injuries or negotiation disputes.

I have the utmost respect & love for Joe.

Throught boxing fighters stock have risen from suffering a loss and coming back... and alot seem to get slated if they have un an blemished record...

True...& when you sit back & look at it...it's bullshit...especially the men that have faced game opposition.

Its only now since mayweather just got by the great oscar de la hoya that people really acknowlageing his talents...

Floyd suffers the same critique that Calzaghe does. If you'll notice...everyone is always bankin on the next somebody to beat Floyd. First it was Corrales, then Castillo, then Kostya, then Hatton, then Margarito, then Oscar, & now everyone's bankin & hopin on Mosley.

Floyd's a general wizard in the ring & a tool outside of the ring...so I can acknowledge the hate...what I can't go along with are the people that let their hatred of the man get in the way of their love of the boxer.

Barrera had some ups and downs but hit superstardom from lossing to tapia and coming back...

I liked Barrera...but for some reason...I could never REALLY back him...maybe it was due to Morales.

Maciano is considered a great in the sense of what he done, whislt most people don't rate him as a 'great' boxer - mianly down to the fact he never lost so menaing he never fought anyone who was really good...

The way I look at it is this...those men that Marciano destroyed...they didn't just come in & let it happen...he did it. He stopped them & that is an impressive thing to go out with 49 wins & 43 ko's...especially when you toss in names such as Joe Louis, Henry Matthews, Ezzard Charles, Ted Lowry, Archie Moore, J.J. Walcott, & Roland LaStarza.

I think thats why you have to lose to be a great, lossing shows you are human, that you fought someone out there as good as you, can you came back at another level... anyone other than a devout fan will always question a fighter who has never tasted deafeat; i do it now, sure mayweather has fought and beat some great fighters - yet i still want to see him fight mosley, magarito cotoo if he wins - when realisticaly, beating de la hoya should of been enough for even the biggest hater, and honestly. im not a fan of mayweathe rin person but i think hes a fantastic boxer...

Heh heh heh...see what I meant.

[Julius Rain]

Theres no real great that went on his entire career undefeated.

Ricardo Lopez

I only saw him once or twice and wasn't too blown away on showtime when he was dropped but looking at his record he is an atg

Lopez yea all time great guy