Interesting topic..Hatton/Calzaghe

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Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big names only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say fuck it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

[Tito BHB]

Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big names only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say fuck it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

So do show the proof that hatton bottled such fights..Never chased cotto..Which im sure he did..

And yes did not chase collazo..But was infact supposed to stay at 140 and fight lazcano but lazcano pulled out weith injury and hatton had a date sorted on hbo without a fighter so when you get offered a world title fight at a second weight..You dont turn it down..

And the very same..Wheres your proof of these dealings with Hopkins..I wonder where the news came from..

Was it from Joe's.. The horses..Or the similar looking Mr Frank Warren? :P

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Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big names only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say F*** it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

So do show the proof that hatton bottled such fights..Never chased cotto..Which im sure he did..

And yes did not chase collazo..But was infact supposed to stay at 140 and fight lazcano but lazcano pulled out weith injury and hatton had a date sorted on hbo without a fighter so when you get offered a world title fight at a second weight..You dont turn it down..

And the very same..Wheres your proof of these dealings with Hopkins..I wonder where the news came from..

Was it from Joe's.. The horses..Or the similar looking Mr Frank Warren? :P

tito i hope this stays a s a debate and nothing more coz i got a lot of love for you on this forum mate...

as for the hopkins comment, its is well renound, form warren, and don king the fight was signed and hopkins doubled his price to fight joe.. there are a shit load of links and articles about it, after hopkins beat tito warren and king agreed hopkins to fight joe in MSG for $3m and hopkins after joe had signed his contract wanted $6m to take the fight...

[Tito BHB]

Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big names only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say F*** it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

So do show the proof that hatton bottled such fights..Never chased cotto..Which im sure he did..

And yes did not chase collazo..But was infact supposed to stay at 140 and fight lazcano but lazcano pulled out weith injury and hatton had a date sorted on hbo without a fighter so when you get offered a world title fight at a second weight..You dont turn it down..

And the very same..Wheres your proof of these dealings with Hopkins..I wonder where the news came from..

Was it from Joe's.. The horses..Or the similar looking Mr Frank Warren? :P

tito i hope this stays a s a debate and nothing more coz i got a lot of love for you on this forum mate...

as for the hopkins comment, its is well renound, form warren, and don king the fight was signed and hopkins doubled his price to fight joe.. there are a shit load of links and articles about it, after hopkins beat tito warren and king agreed hopkins to fight joe in MSG for $3m and hopkins after joe had signed his contract wanted $6m to take the fight...

Lol..Dont worry about it bro.. You gotsta know i too have notthin but love for my G.o.a.t's of the forum.. Lol

I just cant help myself going at out debates :P :P

Lol.. I love a good debate and i know you give as well as i can

But hell no i never take what someone believes personally.. Just as you should never take what i say even if i dont word it as well as i could..




































ps ....I HATE YOU JOE C..



















pps..I dont hate him.. I think hes really good just he has disapointed me over the time i have recognised him...





























ppps...

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Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big names only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say F*** it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

So do show the proof that hatton bottled such fights..Never chased cotto..Which im sure he did..

And yes did not chase collazo..But was infact supposed to stay at 140 and fight lazcano but lazcano pulled out weith injury and hatton had a date sorted on hbo without a fighter so when you get offered a world title fight at a second weight..You dont turn it down..

And the very same..Wheres your proof of these dealings with Hopkins..I wonder where the news came from..

Was it from Joe's.. The horses..Or the similar looking Mr Frank Warren? :P

tito i hope this stays a s a debate and nothing more coz i got a lot of love for you on this forum mate...

as for the hopkins comment, its is well renound, form warren, and don king the fight was signed and hopkins doubled his price to fight joe.. there are a S*** load of links and articles about it, after hopkins beat tito warren and king agreed hopkins to fight joe in MSG for $3m and hopkins after joe had signed his contract wanted $6m to take the fight...

Lol..Dont worry about it bro.. You gotsta know i too have notthin but love for my G.o.a.t's of the forum.. Lol

I just cant help myself going at out debates :P :P

Lol.. I love a good debate and i know you give as well as i can

But hell no i never take what someone believes personally.. Just as you should never take what i say even if i dont word it as well as i could..




































ps ....I HATE YOU JOE C..



















pps..I dont hate him.. I think hes really good just he has disapointed me over the time i have recognised him...





























ppps...

fuck this im to drunk to know what your on about so im gunna CC your ass!


na, shg i know what you mean so many people are pissed with joe coz they know the cunt could of gone so farr its unreal... honest to fuck joe could of had people argue he his top 10 GOAT i blame warren 90% of that, sure rJJ may have beaten him and what not...

but the skill the cunt has got compared to the guys he has fought is piss poor... my but my gods honest opinion is the big names (hopkins and rjj) always eeen joe as an unsessery risk.. niether guy had much to gain from him, whislt a loss would of totaly fucked them up... i slagged hopkins off alot, but last couple weeks i been thinking, he aint ever ducked joe, it just wasnt any value for him to fight him, the reiskwas to much compared to the minimal reward...

[Tito BHB]

Calzaghe is better than hatton in ever single way except for body punching (which hatton doesn't do as much now)

We can all argue who fought whom and when and how it went - but p4p isn't about who you have fought its about being weightless and examining the boxers based on their attributes, beating big na

mes only helps prove what others are saying.

Leftylee - you wanna write that again coz its a bit confusing? Calzaghe was the IBF SMW champ but got stripped for refusing to face the waste of time that was robert stigler... hatton went and took on urango (who is a club fighter) knowing full well he would have to face a mandatory and would not be allowed to defend it agasint castillo so there for being stripped. Urango was far form the best LW, S*** junior witter is rated higher than him and would be a bigger pay day for hatton too.

Thats ridiculous.. Urango is a club fighter..

He is as good as most of the contenders Joe has faced and Ricky actually had something to gain from that fight..
And what do you mean he knew he would have to face a mandatory.. Thats not true atall.. Hatton is taking the right fights and Joe is still having trouble getting them

right fights? 2 years ago there would of been a million and one threads every month talking about hatton v castillo coz it would of had fireworks written all over it... hardly anyone has botherd to talk about it since its been anounced... why? look at what castillo and hatotn both did in thier last fight! castillo was freaking lucky to get the win - he is past it and every body knows it, just no one is willing to admit it yet until the fight is over with.

Apart form that hatton JUSt got past collazo, and beat maussa...

Now whislt hatton is looking total crap in his fights, pissing people off and being dropped out of p4p rankings all over the wolrd, Calzaghe is climing his and doing his job at SMW... lets face it tito, calzaghe has whipped every person put in front of him at the SMW, and with the recent info about kessler and palle coming to light, its not hard to se why that fight has not happend.

If Calzaghe truely wanted P4P Stardom he could have worked alot harder to get it..

The fights with taylor hopkins wright could have happened.. The known names he could have beat..Mundine, alan green etc.. Superfights and unifications with Kessler.. A step up to light heavyweight..
Its been there..

Hatton has not looked crap.. Hatton just wasnt particularly exciting and has had his share of troubles..

So he looked tired late against urango..But put a clinic on him..

Hatton looked snappy for the most part against collazo.. And frankly i rank collazo higher then most of the fighters joe has defended against..

Maussa..well.. theres been plenty of maussa's on joes record..But hatton had a title unification on the line and had something to gain.. Having been champ for so long and fighting the same sort of guys just defending rather then gaining anything much is less of a feat imo..

And castillo is not finished imo.. I mean how do you manage to come to this conclusion..
He had a fight with an undefeated prospect which was a fair tune up fight for the weight..
He had a S*** time with him and moved on..Like its unnatural for a fighter to look bad in his first fight at a new weight.. No..Hatton was bad when he moved up too..

Theres really nothing else to be said on the subject..Whether you disagree or not we will only know come hatton - castillo..

Win loose or draw with castillo will will have the answer..But frankly.. Look out for a barrera- morales 1
performance from castillo..Barrera came back after two losses to junior jones to have a war with morales and you knew he was back even though he didnt get the win..

What more should JOE have done then to get the hopkins, taylor or wright in the ring?

He signed his contract to fight hopksin in the us... was JOE meant to give hopkisn the extra 3million he wanted?

He has beaten every single fighter put in front of him... he should of vacated his belt and gone up to LHW to find a name there? yeah great idea going up to lhw to get a middle weight or light middle weigh to fight you....

He went to denmark to fight on the tyson undercard to try get some exposure in the us...

The ONLY half legit thing you can bring up that he could of done would of been gone to the US and fight. and lets face it WHO was he goignt o fight in the us? anyone he had already wouldn't of mattered jack, just coz it was in the US the same amount of people would of seen it and it would of pretty much given him the same publicity... The only way Joe was going to fight in the Us then was going to be on someones undercard, and for a fighter who rakes in big big cowds i'd say F*** it to that too...

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By the by, didn't team hatton bottle it for a fight with mayweather? never chased cotto, didn't give collazo a rematched he promised?

So do show the proof that hatton bottled such fights..Never chased cotto..Which im sure he did..

And yes did not chase collazo..But was infact supposed to stay at 140 and fight lazcano but lazcano pulled out weith injury and hatton had a date sorted on hbo without a fighter so when you get offered a world title fight at a second weight..You dont turn it down..

And the very same..Wheres your proof of these dealings with Hopkins..I wonder where the news came from..

Was it from Joe's.. The horses..Or the similar looking Mr Frank Warren? :P

tito i hope this stays a s a debate and nothing more coz i got a lot of love for you on this forum mate...

as for the hopkins comment, its is well renound, form warren, and don king the fight was signed and hopkins doubled his price to fight joe.. there are a S*** load of links and articles about it, after hopkins beat tito warren and king agreed hopkins to fight joe in MSG for $3m and hopkins after joe had signed his contract wanted $6m to take the fight...

Lol..Dont worry about it bro.. You gotsta know i too have notthin but love for my G.o.a.t's of the forum.. Lol

I just cant help myself going at out debates :P :P

Lol.. I love a good debate and i know you give as well as i can

But hell no i never take what someone believes personally.. Just as you should never take what i say even if i dont word it as well as i could..




































ps ....I HATE YOU JOE C..



















pps..I dont hate him.. I think hes really good just he has disapointed me over the time i have recognised him...





























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fuck this im to drunk to know what your on about so im gunna CC your ass!


na, shg i know what you mean so many people are pissed with joe coz they know the cunt could of gone so farr its unreal... honest to fuck joe could of had people argue he his top 10 GOAT i blame warren 90% of that, sure rJJ may have beaten him and what not...

but the skill the cunt has got compared to the guys he has fought is piss poor... my but my gods honest opinion is the big names (hopkins and rjj) always eeen joe as an unsessery risk.. niether guy had much to gain from him, whislt a loss would of totaly fucked them up... i slagged hopkins off alot, but last couple weeks i been thinking, he aint ever ducked joe, it just wasnt any value for him to fight him, the reiskwas to much compared to the minimal reward...

What you say is true..

Of course people have theyr opinions based on where they come from...

But as far as little known contenders go for Hopkins or Roy Jones goes..Calz' Was much too good a fighter for the little reward they could get from beating him...

Of course this is no indication on my part that joe would beat them :P

But i beleive that by the time Joe was near enough a worthy ass challenger to Roy ..Roy was at light heavy and racking up titles in a near empty division all the while contemplating a move to heavyweight..

It may have been a different story if a prime and less injured Joe c had tried his luck at light heavy but i suppose we will never know..

One prop i will give him is fair play on bieng a good enough boxer to make 168 all this time..

I make so much of bernard making 160 all those years even in old age..But calzaghe has been rather good in the training department..