Pacman wants Soto!

[TheBESTP4P]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

soto's a good fighter and even more so i like the way he carried himself even after he defeating bobby, REAL CLASS ACT!, but in all honesty bobby rocked and hurt soto.

so the ONLY way i see Soto defeating Pac Man is if Pac Man seriously blows off training and gets some weird Canadian Bug Flu lol

Is this insider news regarding Pacs latest excuse to be used "Canadian Bug Flu" ? Ranks up there with the cheap sock excuse and not having blood samples available prior to a fight.

WHOA did someone lose alot of money betting against PAC MAN? lol i sense true HATERISM there

[:::PSL:::]

Yup,to beat Manny,you need to:

have a good jab

Be able to take beats because you will get hurt at some point by the Pac Monster

WORK THE BODY(i'M TELLING YOU,HE can get hurt/slowed down to the body)

Frustrate him (block his shots,make him become left han happy because it's easy to pick off) and a whole host of other things, I'm not sure if Soto can do all these things but certainly he has the capacity to do so.


With regards to him getting rocked,that was just carelessness on his part,I'd like to think he would not be so careless v Manny. It was like Manny getting rocked by Larios,you don't read too much into it because of the situation.


LMAO,you guys take this too seriously! Pacstraightleft,yes,Juarez left hook is comparable to Manny's straight left hand P4P punch power wise. And to say Soto has not been in wars shows me you have not seen much of him

If your theory is true, then Juarez' left hook must have scored KO 2x against MAB

Soto got rocked by a C-level fighter punch. Soto haven't tasted the most feared straight left yet.

Soto's notable fights was from Kelley who beat him, and win against Juarez. You call that "real wars"?

[TheBESTP4P]

Yup,to beat Manny,you need to:

have a good jab

Be able to take beats because you will get hurt at some point by the Pac Monster

WORK THE BODY(i'M TELLING YOU,HE can get hurt/slowed down to the body)

Frustrate him (block his shots,make him become left han happy because it's easy to pick off) and a whole host of other things, I'm not sure if Soto can do all these things but certainly he has the capacity to do so.


With regards to him getting rocked,that was just carelessness on his part,I'd like to think he would not be so careless v Manny. It was like Manny getting rocked by Larios,you don't read too much into it because of the situation.


LMAO,you guys take this too seriously! Pacstraightleft,yes,Juarez left hook is comparable to Manny's straight left hand P4P punch power wise. And to say Soto has not been in wars shows me you have not seen much of him

el gamo PAC MANS got MAD MAD flaws, but to be honest thats what makes his fights so exciting is that he does trade/stand toe to toe and does get hit, and even gets hurt, but he ends up DESTROYING his opponents.

again like i said in another thread its because of PAC MAN and COTTO that boxing is even still alive and i mean that!

[Addicted to_boxing]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

[TheBESTP4P]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

i like soto both as a fighter and as a person but no one right now will beat a focused/prime PAC MAN!

even if you school pac and are more techinically sound than Pac which alot of the top contendors are, Pac still will destroy them all.

EVERYONE PLEASE KEEP IN MIND: AS MUCH AS JMM SCHOOLED PAC MAN IN THEIR FIRST FIGHT, THE JUDGE ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SCORE THE 3 KNOCKDOWN ROUND PROPERLY WHICH MEANS PAC MAN INDEED WON THAT FIGHT.

SO MY POINT IS EVEN IF YOU CAN SCHOOL PAC MAN AND BE THE FAR MORE TECHNICALLY SKILLED FIGHTER PAC MAN WILL STILL DESTROY ALL IN HIS PATH AS LONG AS HES FOCUSED AND IN HIS PRIME!

[Addicted to_boxing]

Yup,to beat Manny,you need to:

have a good jab

Be able to take beats because you will get hurt at some point by the Pac Monster

WORK THE BODY(i'M TELLING YOU,HE can get hurt/slowed down to the body)

Frustrate him (block his shots,make him become left han happy because it's easy to pick off) and a whole host of other things, I'm not sure if Soto can do all these things but certainly he has the capacity to do so.


With regards to him getting rocked,that was just carelessness on his part,I'd like to think he would not be so careless v Manny. It was like Manny getting rocked by Larios,you don't read too much into it because of the situation.


LMAO,you guys take this too seriously! Pacstraightleft,yes,Juarez left hook is comparable to Manny's straight left hand P4P punch power wise. And to say Soto has not been in wars shows me you have not seen much of him

If your theory is true, then Juarez' left hook must have scored KO 2x against MAB

Soto got rocked by a C-level fighter punch. Soto haven't tasted the most feared straight left yet.

Soto's notable fights was from Kelley who beat him, and win against Juarez. You call that "real wars"?

Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo : What fables do you have for these KO's of your Superman? Oh yeah the F***en use of cryptonite by these cheaters ....

[El Gamo]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

Whilst your repsonse is very powerfully if not harshly worded,I think I agree, Addicted to Boxing. Hey,we ALL nuthug at one point or another because we all have our fave fighters but Pac nut huggers,dang! It's on an entirely different scale.

I REALLY like Manny,he earned my respect by beating Morales(one of my fave fighters) his fights with JMM and MAB were excellent too. But when it comes to the point where one cannot even contructively criticise a fighter for fear of offending fans,that is abso fwocking lutely ridiculous.

Juarez left hook IS comparable to Manny's left hand in terms of power. (Thats all,other than that,Rocky is a woeful fighter ). Like I said,Manny would be HOT favourite to win but I'd MOST DEFINITELY be cheering for Soto. And as AtD stated,Manny has been knocked out by lesser fighters and was rocked by Larios who moved up two weights.

BestP4P,I know what you are saying and I agree,boxing needs someone like Manny to keep the fans coming BUT it does not mean that he cannot be beaten etc.

And with regards to the JMM fight, the judge may have scored the first round wrongly but in most who saw the fights eyes, JMM won. Manny won the first and second easily and may be one or 2 other rounds. JMM boxed his ears off and rocked hi to his boots at least 2 times.


PAC FAN MY BROTHER,IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[:::PSL:::]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

Oh that memory lane again. "I have to base my aguements now on Pac's defeat to win the debate". LOL!

FYI, Pac's defeats was from 1995-96 when could no longer make 106 and 112 as young skinny teen-ager. He got KOed both from body shots.

You didn't have to throw the "mama" joke as personal insult.

...peace

[Addicted to_boxing]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

i like soto both as a fighter and as a person but no one right now will beat a focused/prime PAC MAN!

even if you school pac and are more techinically sound than Pac which alot of the top contendors are, Pac still will destroy them all.

EVERYONE PLEASE KEEP IN MIND: AS MUCH AS JMM SCHOOLED PAC MAN IN THEIR FIRST FIGHT, THE JUDGE ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SCORE THE 3 KNOCKDOWN ROUND PROPERLY WHICH MEANS PAC MAN INDEED WON THAT FIGHT.

SO MY POINT IS EVEN IF YOU CAN SCHOOL PAC MAN AND BE THE FAR MORE TECHNICALLY SKILLED FIGHTER PAC MAN WILL STILL DESTROY ALL IN HIS PATH AS LONG AS HES FOCUSED AND IN HIS PRIME!

Fair enough ..... but since that fight the lack of quality fighter that can utilize JMM exposed secrets has not been served up by worth opponents. A washed up EM is not the correct answer either. Since that fight Pacs promoter has been milking the money and not placing Pac in harms way knocking out the less talented lesser knowns rather than the up and coming talented prospects or JMM. I know I know JMM is the champ and has no business asking for the larger share.

[TheBESTP4P]

naw bro i never said Pac man can NOT be beaten.

he most definitely can!

more so due to his lack of focus, not training seriously, distractions, not being able to wear his reyes gloves, or if the judge does NOT know how to properly score a 3 knockdown round.

those would be more so the reasons why pac would lose a fight right now in his prime im talking.

if someone just came in there and just mopped PAC MAN and KTFO i would be hella suprised and give that man his props given all the conditions that pac man actually trained hard, wore reyes gloves, and was not distracted with dumb shiiiiit like being a politician etc

[:::PSL:::]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

i like soto both as a fighter and as a person but no one right now will beat a focused/prime PAC MAN!

even if you school pac and are more techinically sound than Pac which alot of the top contendors are, Pac still will destroy them all.

EVERYONE PLEASE KEEP IN MIND: AS MUCH AS JMM SCHOOLED PAC MAN IN THEIR FIRST FIGHT, THE JUDGE ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SCORE THE 3 KNOCKDOWN ROUND PROPERLY WHICH MEANS PAC MAN INDEED WON THAT FIGHT.

SO MY POINT IS EVEN IF YOU CAN SCHOOL PAC MAN AND BE THE FAR MORE TECHNICALLY SKILLED FIGHTER PAC MAN WILL STILL DESTROY ALL IN HIS PATH AS LONG AS HES FOCUSED AND IN HIS PRIME!

Fair enough ..... but since that fight the lack of quality fighter that can utilize JMM exposed secrets has not been served up by worth opponents. A washed up EM is not the correct answer either. Since that fight Pacs promoter has been milking the money and not placing Pac in harms way knocking out the less talented lesser knowns rather than the up and coming talented prospects or JMM. I know I know JMM is the champ and has no business asking for the larger share.

Pac attract more fans than anyone @ 130 (title bout or not). So 75/25 is a big insult for Pac.

[TheBESTP4P]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

i like soto both as a fighter and as a person but no one right now will beat a focused/prime PAC MAN!

even if you school pac and are more techinically sound than Pac which alot of the top contendors are, Pac still will destroy them all.

EVERYONE PLEASE KEEP IN MIND: AS MUCH AS JMM SCHOOLED PAC MAN IN THEIR FIRST FIGHT, THE JUDGE ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SCORE THE 3 KNOCKDOWN ROUND PROPERLY WHICH MEANS PAC MAN INDEED WON THAT FIGHT.

SO MY POINT IS EVEN IF YOU CAN SCHOOL PAC MAN AND BE THE FAR MORE TECHNICALLY SKILLED FIGHTER PAC MAN WILL STILL DESTROY ALL IN HIS PATH AS LONG AS HES FOCUSED AND IN HIS PRIME!

Fair enough ..... but since that fight the lack of quality fighter that can utilize JMM exposed secrets has not been served up by worth opponents. A washed up EM is not the correct answer either. Since that fight Pacs promoter has been milking the money and not placing Pac in harms way knocking out the less talented lesser knowns rather than the up and coming talented prospects or JMM. I know I know JMM is the champ and has no business asking for the larger share.

OK i agree completely!

ARUM and OSCAR need to kiss and make up and give us the fight fans the true REAL fights we give a F about!

even Pac man himself is to blame to just sign with who ever gonna add a couple more zeros to the end of their offer.

BUT........... ARUM is the only one saying even tho top rank and gbp are in litigation, we can still work together to put the real fights together for the fans. arum even points out how he and don king did the same even when they were both in litigation.

so its OSCAAAAAAAAAAAR who's Fin us the fans over.

oscar dont wanna do shiiiiiiiiit with arum no matter what.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.

Oh that memory lane again. "I have to base my aguements now on Pac's defeat to win the debate". LOL!

FYI, Pac's defeats was from 1995-96 when could no longer make 106 and 112 as young skinny teen-ager. He got KOed both from body shots.

You didn't have to throw the "mama" joke as personal insult.

...peace

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To further solidify my post in lacking common sense look at your reference to: "win the debate" I was unaware that this was a win, win win post situation. I was under the belief that this was just a room for expression of personal belief in the field of boxing.

I was really close on my Bobpac-Soto prediction . I predicted Soto by mid-round KO.

Bobby rocked Soto twice in 4th round. Manny is a vicious finisher, Bobby's NOT.

With Soto's lack of lateral footwork, less head movements, and weak chin... he would make a great prey for Pac.

I don't think Soto will last 6 rounds with Manny.

WOAH!! Lets not hug on to Manny too much. He's a wonderful fighter,someone whom I've defended many many times BUT he is flawed and can be beaten. To describe Soto's chin as weak is very poor judgement. He took a haymaker which would have staggered ALOT of fighters and rather than hold on,fought back.He also showed his chin in the Juarez match in which Rocky landed that super(and his ONLY good punch ) left hook and Soto took it. He has decent lateral movement and his defence was good apart from those 2 moments.

I'd favour Manny but I think Soto has the tools to beat him,it's his lapses in concentration which would be his problem.

Are you actually comparing Pac/Juarez power punching?

Juarez can't even carry MAB's spit bucket.

I like Soto. He's very humble and he reminds me of young Erik Morales. And we all know that EM beat Pac.

But Soto haven't been in real war yet. Pac is a pressure fighter and Soto will just be overwhelm.

You need to be reminded that both Medgoen Singsurat & Rustico Torrecampo KTFO of your PACDEAR. YES I am comparing Juarez power not velocity to Pac. Also MAB barely escaped Juarez twice. Ans not being in a war does not mean the inability to excel in one. The funniest thing are the references to Soto being humble as if he would be lesser if he were saying he would KNTFO Pac. Pac man is also humble and I like him for that. It is his followers that lack personal success, class and in some instances common sense. That is why they post as if you were talking about their mama.
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Oh that memory lane again. "I have to base my aguements now on Pac's defeat to win the debate". LOL!

FYI, Pac's defeats was from 1995-96 when could no longer make 106 and 112 as young skinny teen-ager. He got KOed both from body shots. - Sorry just not valid enough reasons. Why are Pacmans excuse more valid than those of MAB in his loss to Pac Man? A plate in head revealed to sanctioning committee and in the press, camp interrupted due to severe brush fires, last minute managerial changes.. Seems these are much more valid than not being able to woof down a steak as a teenager and absorb body shots. Now he has money and still has a problem with body shots.

[El Gamo]

naw bro i never said Pac man can NOT be beaten.

he most definitely can!

more so due to his lack of focus, not training seriously, distractions, not being able to wear his reyes gloves, or if the judge does NOT know how to properly score a 3 knockdown round.

those would be more so the reasons why pac would lose a fight right now in his prime im talking.

if someone just came in there and just mopped PAC MAN and KTFO i would be hella suprised and give that man his props given all the conditions that pac man actually trained hard, wore reyes gloves, and was not distracted with dumb shiiiiit like being a politician etc

Those are just excuses,Morales beat his ass first time around.End of. I could just say he fought a faded,weight drained Morales in the second fight A

nd anyone who knows boxing knows just because you score 3 knockdowns in the first round of a fight does not mean you win,especially if you get ouboxed in nearly every other round. Do the math. Oh yea,you forgot to add the socks for the JMM fight.

I've never seen such a big deal made about gloves before,I ain't ever heard Morales etc etc complain about gloves before.

I agree the 75-25 is an insult to Manny though,he should definitely get more than JMM.

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when i was sitting RINGSIDE at GRAND FINALE EM nailed PAC MAN with a FIERCE body shot that i saw up close and personal i was like ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiit lol