Barrera: Marquez...After reflection who do you think won?

[ICB]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

I don't care what the other sites had it i had Barrera ahead Marquez landed more power punches but thats only because of the one sided round in 7th and one other round which i forgot other than that Barrera was slighty outlanding Marquez it was very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointing whoever won but by the wide margins judges had it ??

[El Gamo]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

I don't care what the other sites had it i had Barrera ahead Marquez landed more power punches but thats only because of the one sided round in 7th and one other round which i forgot other than that Barrera was slighty outlanding Marquez it was very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointing whoever won but by the wide margins judges had it ??

Well,I find the scores of guys like Doug Fischer etc,guys who have been watching boxing for over 25 plus years more significant than most other opinions.Also,they were ringside so it gives them a better view and I watch the fight minus the punch stats(minu the first time) ,it influences the view too much especially when views are so biased towards one fighter.

[ICB]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

I don't care what the other sites had it i had Barrera ahead Marquez landed more power punches but thats only because of the one sided round in 7th and one other round which i forgot other than that Barrera was slighty outlanding Marquez it was very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointing whoever won but by the wide margins judges had it ??

Well,I find the scores of guys like Doug Fischer etc,guys who have been watching boxing for over 25 plus years more significant than most other opinions.Also,they were ringside so it gives them a better view and I watch the fight minus the punch stats(minu the first time) ,it influences the view too much especially when views are so biased towards one fighter.

Well Gamo thats fine and dandy mate but if i believe a fighter has won a fight i don't care who disagrees thats my opinion and before i even knew punchstats i thought Barrera won but all im saying is that some people use that Marquez landed more power punches and i was just pointing out why he did because of 2 one sided rounds i have watched the fight 2 times once with sound once without and i had Barrera edging it.

[El Gamo]

Well,you're entitled to your opinion,but the fight wasn't a robbery and JMM won.End of for me.And for most JMM fans.

[ICB]

Well,you're entitled to your opinion,but the fight wasn't a robbery and JMM won.End of for me.And for most JMM fans.

Didn't say it was robbery mate was just disappointed with the judges scores like i said it could of gone either way and Marquez won but if Pac fight can't be made i believe Barrera deserves a rematch.

[:::PSL:::]

Barrera CLEARLY scored a knockdown and prematurely penalized when he punched JMM while he was down.

Jeff Nady really fuck3d up on that one. That fight would've been a draw or even a win for MAB.

[Gandalf]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

No offence taken. I initially saw the fight on Korean television, and believe me, I dont know enough Korean to be sucked into any Korean bias!

I know how to score a fight and even giving the rounds I think were possibly even then Barrera still wins by 1. Barrera won. If you would like to make a case against Barrera winning then please post your card and then lets discuss it and break it down step by step.

I dont care who landed the harder shots. Marquez was dominating Barrera in the 7th and Barrera didnt have an equally dominant round like it. But a fight comes on a round by round basis and thats the way it should be scored. Marquez's strong 7th is cancelled out by a less dominant Barrera 8th. Thats the way boxing works.

Compubox stats do not tell the story of the fight by a long shot.

[Gandalf]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

I don't care what the other sites had it i had Barrera ahead Marquez landed more power punches but thats only because of the one sided round in 7th and one other round which i forgot other than that Barrera was slighty outlanding Marquez it was very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointing whoever won but by the wide margins judges had it ??

, fella

Thats why I started this thread. I couldnt care less what critics or other sites feel about the fight. Im interested here in what my fellow Saddoneans feel about the fight now the hype and excitement has fallen away.

[Gandalf]

Barrera CLEARLY scored a knockdown and prematurely penalized when he punched JMM while he was down.

Jeff Nady really fuck3d up on that one. That fight would've been a draw or even a win for MAB.

I agree completely.

Whats done is now done but that was a messed up situation. Its a credit to Barrera that he came back strong in the 8th and 9th after such a beating in the 7th and then having the knockdown not called.

[Galaxy]

I think Marquez won the fight it was close but the decision went to the right guy IMO.

[ICB]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.

I don't care what the other sites had it i had Barrera ahead Marquez landed more power punches but thats only because of the one sided round in 7th and one other round which i forgot other than that Barrera was slighty outlanding Marquez it was very close fight i wouldn't of been disappointing whoever won but by the wide margins judges had it ??

, fella

Thats why I started this thread. I couldnt care less what critics or other sites feel about the fight. Im interested here in what my fellow Saddoneans feel about the fight now the hype and excitement has fallen away.

back bro totally agree.

[Julius Rain]

JMM WON, the knock down should of counted but it doesn't change the outcome. JMM STILL WON!!!!!!!

jmm made the fight, he caught mab more and more often. MAB didn't do more to deserve the win. JMM took it and JMM deserved it, end of story.

[Gandalf]

For those who are adamant that Marquez won, I would be interested to see how you scored each of the rounds. Im asking this out of curiosity because I really find it hard to see how it could be anything less than Barrera by a point.

It was a close fight and some of those rounds were awkward ones...

[Julius Rain]

For those who are adamant that Marquez won, I would be interested to see how you scored each of the rounds. Im asking this out of curiosity because I really find it hard to see how it could be anything less than Barrera by a point.

It was a close fight and some of those rounds were awkward ones...

i would love to post my round by round but its been a while since the fight. So I really need to watch it again to remember, but I know JMM clearly won and it was NOT that close to call it controversial. OFcourse mab fans or supporter will argue but it was one of those fight that both fighters are great, but JMM just won. he just won plain and simple he WON. what else is there to say he won.

JMM WON dot, dot, dot.

[Julius Rain]

3 for MAB

9 for JMM

this just proves, we have more educated boxing fans than delusional onces