*NEWS BREAK* < New England - Patriots caught cheating using cameras >

[Canvasback]

At least the NFL does something about cheating. MLB should take a lesson from this.

[Punisher136]

He went drew rosenhaus on the press conference too. "We're not here to talk about the past" "Our goal is (cheating) san diego (again)" "I'm not talking about the past now" "The past isn't what i'm here to talk about"

Then Sean Salsbery (needs checked for concussions btw) said that billicheck should write his name on all the lombardi trophies he has because hes the most innovative coach in the game

[CutMeMick]

This is fwocken great!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfobQftP5k

[RP33]

This is fwocken great!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfobQftP5k

CC hahaha that was great. I further hate LT now if he did truly say that.. and love the bit about merriman/lt.

[Punisher136]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

[RP33]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

LT is a cry baby if you remember the playoffs last year.. You can't deny that he will be a legend, but especially with this last remark about cheating, show some class.

[Punisher136]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

LT is a cry baby if you remember the playoffs last year.. You can't deny that he will be a legend, but especially with this last remark about cheating, show some class.

I remember the playoffs last year. San Diego had to shoot itself in the foot 3 times late in the game and new england still only won by a field goal in typical non dominant new england fashion.

[RP33]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

LT is a cry baby if you remember the playoffs last year.. You can't deny that he will be a legend, but especially with this last remark about cheating, show some class.

I remember the playoffs last year. San Diego had to shoot itself in the foot 3 times late in the game and new england still only won by a field goal in typical non dominant new england fashion.

a win is a win.. if you're going to discredit the NE Patriots style of winning, then you may as well be dissing the talent and team playing in the NFL considering they won the superbowl 3 times in the last 6 years.

[Punisher136]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

LT is a cry baby if you remember the playoffs last year.. You can't deny that he will be a legend, but especially with this last remark about cheating, show some class.

I remember the playoffs last year. San Diego had to shoot itself in the foot 3 times late in the game and new england still only won by a field goal in typical non dominant new england fashion.

a win is a win.. if you're going to discredit the NE Patriots style of winning, then you may as well be dissing the talent and team playing in the NFL considering they won the superbowl 3 times in the last 6 years.

by 3 points each time. They're the sorriest excuse for a dynasty i've ever seen. The only thing more annoying than hearing about how awesome tom brady and his career high 24 td season are is hearing it from their obnoxious retarded bandwagon fans who didn't even know new england had a football team until january of '01. Champions are champions but don't be putting belicheck on the same level as joe walsh and tom brady on the same level as joe montana. Brady drives down a little bit of the field so his field goal kicker can get him the win. Montana drove down the entire field and threw touchdowns. Thats the difference between overrated and great.

[RP33]

LT > the entire patriots franchise history.

LT is a cry baby if you remember the playoffs last year.. You can't deny that he will be a legend, but especially with this last remark about cheating, show some class.

I remember the playoffs last year. San Diego had to shoot itself in the foot 3 times late in the game and new england still only won by a field goal in typical non dominant new england fashion.

a win is a win.. if you're going to discredit the NE Patriots style of winning, then you may as well be dissing the talent and team playing in the NFL considering they won the superbowl 3 times in the last 6 years.

by 3 points each time. They're the sorriest excuse for a dynasty i've ever seen. The only thing more annoying than hearing about how awesome tom brady and his career high 24 td season are is hearing it from their obnoxious retarded bandwagon fans who didn't even know new england had a football team until january of '01. Champions are champions but don't be putting belicheck on the same level as joe walsh and tom brady on the same level as joe montana. Brady drives down a little bit of the field so his field goal kicker can get him the win. Montana drove down the entire field and threw touchdowns. Thats the difference between overrated and great.

I hate the bandwagon also.. im from RI so i have to hear it from the Pats fans, the Sox fans, and NOW the celtics fans after they win the East this year.. The reason why NE is this "dynasty" is due to the system.. and thats why Belichick is held so high.. Up until this year the Pats were never, or not even CLOSE to stacked with great players.. I have Brady's stats up, i'm not a stat nerd or anything, but from 2001 to 2006 his TD's are 18,28,23,28,26,24.. i mean that is good for an NFL QB, and he has had completely CRAP receivers over the years.. I don't see Brady as a montana or elway or marino or even manning, but he is very efficient and one of the most consistent and solid QB's of the last decade without question. Belichick gets a lot of credit because there was such a lack of stars on those teams.. it had a lot to do with the playbook and style of offense that he created. I don't know if you just hate the Pats or what but they've been completely solid with a lot of average/slightly above average players within the last 6-7 years and that is what makes them a dynasty..

[boozeboxer]

Joe Walsh was awesome. remeber that song, "ordinary average guy" ?

[Punisher136]

If you make it to the nfl you're a good player regardless of what anyone says. Players on the colts are just as athletically gifted as the players on the texans, the difference is the colts don't make stupid mistakes.

I hate the pats because they never should've made it to the '01 superbowl. The tuck rule is the biggest pile of crap ever conceived in a rule book. He was tucking it in towards his body, thats not a throwing motion which would result in an incomplete pass, that is simply trying to hold the ball bracing for a hit when it popped out and therefor should've been a fumble and oakland's victory (i'm not a raider fan). Last second field goal in 2 super bowls to win and a 3 point win over philly. Thats really scraping the barrel to get a dynasty.

Belicheck's offense isn't anywhere near what the west coast offense (created by joe walsh in cincinnati) was. It was way more innovative than a bunch of screen passes which is essentially what belichecks ground breaking offense is.

[RP33]

If you make it to the nfl you're a good player regardless of what anyone says. Players on the colts are just as athletically gifted as the players on the texans, the difference is the colts don't make stupid mistakes.

I hate the pats because they never should've made it to the '01 superbowl. The tuck rule is the biggest pile of crap ever conceived in a rule book. He was tucking it in towards his body, thats not a throwing motion which would result in an incomplete pass, that is simply trying to hold the ball bracing for a hit when it popped out and therefor should've been a fumble and oakland's victory (i'm not a raider fan). Last second field goal in 2 super bowls to win and a 3 point win over philly. Thats really scraping the barrel to get a dynasty.

Belicheck's offense isn't anywhere near what the west coast offense (created by joe walsh in cincinnati) was. It was way more innovative than a bunch of screen passes which is essentially what belichecks ground breaking offense is.

I don't consider west coast offense more innovative than Bellichicks attack at all.. look at the most recent dominant west coast offense with the Rams of the late 90's early 2000/2001.. they had Warner and Trent Green and Bulger with torry holt/isaac bruce and a number of decent 3rd/4th wr's.. you need pro-bowl caliber receivers for that to work.. AGAIN that is why Belichick's offensive scheme gets credit due to lack of pro-bowl talent.. Whether or not the Pats won by 30 or 3 in the superbowl's that they won, they had PLENTY of wins during the season and teams did not want to play them.. you can't base the season on a 3 point superbowl win against the best team coming out of the NFC, give me a break... There have been a few flukes throughout the sports world over the last decade, where teams have won championships that i don't deem worthy, but the Patriots reign of the AFC and NFL is no fluke whatsoever.. and you can nitpick at the tuck rules and in's and out's of there reign but if you think that it is a fluke as a whole then you simply just do not like the Pats.. there is no other explanation.. i HATE the chargers, but that doesn't mean that they're not good.

[Punisher136]

Screen passes aren't innovative. Making a passing game that not only nets you big gains but also works as well as a good running game when your running game is subpar is genius.

[RP33]

Walsh was obviously a genius, there is no dispute there.. but look at recent teams who have used west coast offense, as i said before the St louis rams.. they had marshall faulk as there running back, which made it plenty easy to pass or run with the threats they had.. this type of offense hasn't been done succesfully in years.. well at least a true west coast offense.. but you're finally catching on to what i've been trying to say.. when you mentioned a running game that is SUBPAR.. look at the patriots roster, and look at who made the pro-bowls the years that they won, or even had good seasons.. it was Brady a few times, corey dillon recently, maybe troy brown (haha) in 2001, and probably 2-3 defensive players, that's it.. POINT it that the pats were effective with SUBPAR players, with the exception of when dillon finally came along.. Belichick made his offense work with average joe receivers and average runners.. as much as the screen pass is boring and simple as hell, WHY FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN.. it worked for them, and you can't talk negative about it cause it worked..

It's funny cause you'll have conversations with your friends, and they'll say wow Kurt Warner on the Ram's must've been good, but heck you could've thrown any average QB in that offense 'the greatest show on turf' and throw the ball downfield and you'd look damn good yourself.. Not to take anything away from manning cause he is brilliant, but if you had his receivers then you'd throw for touchdowns too.. and with the exception of this year, 2007, you could NEVER say that for Brady, and he still got the job done.. they were able to win with average talent, and it had to do with play calling.