I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.

[Violent Demise]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

[Gandalf]

Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?

We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.

Is it just about the money for Ricky?

Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.

Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.

We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.

What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?

Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.

I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.

I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.

Wake up!

Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.

You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.


Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.

Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.

Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.

If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.

I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.

Mayweather had a bad day at the office against Castillo. Than he gave his word to Castillo that they would rematch and kept it. Hatton had his bad day against Collazo. Says he would rematch Collazo. Than breaks his word. I think Hatton knew deep in his heart that he really lost to Collazo and can't really beat him

Good points

I do think Hatton won that fight though. He did back out of his promise to rematch Collazo. No denying that, but I do think he would beat Collazo in a rematch.

Still, no denying that Hatton has balls for stepping up and facing the worlds best in a weight that many argue is wrong for him. I think the weight will suit him just fine this time out however.

[Fenster]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

[Gandalf]

Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?

We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.

Is it just about the money for Ricky?

Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.

Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.

We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.

What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?

Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.

I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.

I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.

Wake up!

Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.

You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.


Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.

Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.

Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.

If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.

I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.

Still doesn't change the fact he was Welterweight champion of the world also having 2 impressive victorys over Gatti and Judah tell me this Miles would you have been happy with him avoiding the fight ?? the fight needed to happen simple as.

Mayweather had injury to his shoulder in first Castillo fight.

I dont think I would call not fighting Baldomir "avoiding" him. I just think and have always thought there were better fighters in the division. Beating Baldomir hasnt cemented Mayweather in any way, shape nor form. Fighting Judah (who just lost to Baldy) and then fighting Baldy himself. Well, it hardly seems Mayweather was taking any real risks by fighting Baldomir. There were bigger fish to fry.

And Hatton came into the Collazo fight as Ricky fatton. Forget the excuses for poor showings. I dont care for them.

[Violent Demise]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.

[Fenster]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.

1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.

2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.

3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. Fuck knows where you've got that from

[Violent Demise]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.

1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.

2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.

3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. Fuck knows where you've got that from

1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought

2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie

3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused.

[Gandalf]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.

1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.

2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.

3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. F*** knows where you've got that from

1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought

2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie

3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused.

Your first point fails to observe the number of easy fights Floyd had on his way up to 147 and beyond. His record is worthy of serious critisism in recent years.

Hatton has beaten an old Castillo and still P4P Kostya in the past 2 years. Floyd has beaten an old inactive Oscar and a Judah fresh off a loss against Baldomir.

[BIG H]

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.

Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.

Yeah he is

You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?

Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......

Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.

1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.

2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.

3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. F*** knows where you've got that from

1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought

2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie

3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused.

[El Gamo]

We will see what Floyd does after this fight,presuming he wins. If he turns down the winner of Cotto Mosley,he will be ducking them. There is no other excuse. The winner of that fight will become the best WW in the world imo.

Cotto's resume would look like this: Urkal,Judah,Quintana,Mosley(and he's only 26/27 and will be at WW for years to come)

Mosley-Cotto,Oscar(those 2 names alone would seal it for him) but also,Collazo and a few other decent fighters.

Mayweather-Judah,Mitchell,Baldo(one of the worst champs ever,no disrespect) and maybe Hatton who isn't top 10 at WW.

"Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise."- Fenster

Could not have said it better myself.

Sure Floyd had to take this fight but that was at 140 primarily. If he didn't take the Hatton fight now,no-one would have said anything,it came as a surprise that he was taking the fight especially when there are so many live fighters at 147.

Like I siad,what happens after this fight is most important and probably going to define alot of legacies.

[Majesty]

Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?

We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.

Is it just about the money for Ricky?

Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.

Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.

We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.

What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?

Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.

I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.

I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.

Wake up!

Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.

Oh Baldomir beat the man of the welterweight division(Zab judah) for htat title, when floyd fought judah he was bashed for not fighting baldomir, when he fought baldomir he was bashed for not fighting hatton now he's fighting hatton and people give hatton excuses already.

Where were your excuses when Floyd was fighting Oscar at 154 when it obviously was out of his weight range?? No one was giving Floyd the "Why is this fight at 154 its to Oscar's advantage" All i heard was "Oscar is gonna knock him out yeah! Floyd will get beat, perfect for Oscar! Oscar will expose mayweather for how overrated he is"

So why does Hatton get excuses now?

[Saddo]

its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...

i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.

but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....

the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.

maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture

But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.

but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.

so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter

Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....

Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”

Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”

Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.

so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate

[SigmaMu]

its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...

i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.

but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....

the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.

maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture

But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.

but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.

so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter

Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....

Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”

Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”

Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.

so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate

I am not slating Ricky but...

I remember when he was going to fight Cotto and Ricky moved up in weight.
Cotto and Ricky were going to fight at 140 but then Cotto moved up and Ricky moved down and the idea of the fight began to fall apart. I do remember however what the people were saying.

Who wins?

If Cotto faught Ricky at 140, many gave the fight to Ricky
If Cotto faught Ricky at 147, many said Cotto would take it.
That was basicly what everyone was saying including myself.

All I was saying is that Ricky should have tried to campaign more and try to get a fight against PBF at 140. I give Ricky a better chance at 140 against anyone in boxing including fighting PBF.
At just 7 pounds more, I don't give Ricky the advantage anymore.
Floyd has already shown us that if he wants, he can just run all night and still get the decision. It is going be very long night for Ricky. I hope he does not get tired of trying to catch Floyd. It will be a boring fight unless Floyd beats that azz like he said he was going to do to Oscar, and Baldo.

I guess at the end of the day money talks.
But I wanted to see Ricky win and be wealthy. I guess we can't have the best of both worlds as fans.

Both fighters will be fighting out of their element true, but who is better at fighting out of their own element than PBF? NO ONE!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I'm sure Ricky will learn to live with the £10million quid "mistake"

In a nutshell....

[ICB]

its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...

i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.

but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....

the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.

maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture

But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.

but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.

so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter

Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....

Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”

Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”

Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.

so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate

the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.

Simple really Oscar faded in later stages like he has in the past plus he was getting countered and was rocked twice.