The coveted return of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round Taylor vs Pavlik!!!

[Julius Rain]

OMG!!!!!!

WACKOF is back with his legendary DRBR and right on time. with the hottest following months for boxing.

for this weekends fight I'm going with J.T I just don't think pavlik has an idea what kind of fight it will be against a young very experience champion in J.T. (although J.T has look bad recently, this fight I believe will bring the "bad intention" out of J.T)

[Wacko3205]

OMG!!!!!! WACKOF is back with his legendary DRBR and right on time. with the hottest following months for boxing.

Jules. Thanks for the love.

for this weekends fight I'm going with J.T I just don't think pavlik has an idea what kind of fight it will be against a young very experience champion in J.T. (although J.T has look bad recently, this fight I believe will bring the "bad intention" out of J.T)

I want to see Pavlik pull this one out. I truly think that it'd be better for the game if he did. Taylor's just too much of a puppy dog now & I think that he might have let that "big dawg" mouth (you know...the DAWG IN ME that he was barkin bout @ the presser?) over load that "puppy dog" ass with Pavlik.

A focused & confident Taylor wins...but how confident will he be once Pavli actually negates his jab & cracks him.

Many underrate Pavlik due to lack of exposure & many overratte him on destroying Miranda but there is a happy medium & as I have stated in the past...it's there & I have seen it. There's more to Pavlik than meets the eye...he's just not been showcased enough.

If Taylor comes out like the Jermain of old & wins...much respect to him. I'll be disappointed & I don't want Pavlik to lose...but if it does bring out our true champion in Taylor...then that works too.

Pavlik by a hard fought bout or late stoppage...least that's what I'm hopin & prayin for.

[Wacko3205]

Also...I'd like to thank everyone that either is or will be a part of this Drunken Round by Round.

Wacko's had a bit of a ruff year & it's good to be back home here with my people. That being said...I may be a bit rusty & my drunken keystrokes may be a bit slower than usual...but this will go off & we shall have that same ole' piss drunk coverage that you had all grwon accustomed to seeing every Friday & Saturday night.

I'm back up in the muh-fwocker bitches!

As par for the course...everyone will recieve his or her participatory Wacko's Drunken Round by Round ...so to those on board...you suckuhz been served!

's & cheers & koneecheewah, bitches. Wacko luh yuh.

[Wacko3205]

Tam's brought up soom good stuff here that no one's really elaborated on here...so let me get up in it like a whore on fifth skreet!

Its all about the way Taylor approaches this fight.

While I do agree...I also don't.

Taylor's seemingly approaching this fight as redemption...per the media, but honestly, Taylor's appearance & demeanor hasn't taken an about face...not like it should

Pavlik is hungry, young, & strong. He can box...that's a proven fact & it's also a biggie that Pavlik can take a lickin & keep on tickin. Taylor's a buckler. I have all of Taylor's career on VHS except for a handful of his first fights. I have watched him grow tremendously under Pat Burns...under Manny Steward? He's forgotten his jab & learned how to cover up & hide on the ropes.

Manny might be the problem here. I know that's hard to imagine seeing as how everyone see's Manny as GOD & COUNTRY over here in the U.S., but that's my take on it.

Taylor can approach anyway that he wants...but if he doesn't come out blazing like he used to against the likes of Ortiz, Garcia, Bunema, & Eduord...just ignore the fact that he was a "taylor made" sparring partner for the Hopkins set up.

Taylor has the potential...but will he tap it?

I always use the cop out phrase of "It depends on what Taylor shows up" & while that is true...the cold hard facts are Taylor is Taylor. Does he still have the fire to win & can he do so against a hard case like Pavlik?

If it's a fair & square fight...I gotta say NO.

But I believe that HBO will get sticky fingered with thiis one.

If he fights to box and is fully focused and keeps away from Kellys big punches i think he can box his way to a 12 round decision. But if he comes into the fight trading and really wanting to get caught up with kelly i just think kellys is too much for any man at 160, that power would catch up with him soon enough and stop taylor.

True...but Pavlik can box too & he can bang. If he catches Taylor once & starts backin him up...Jermain's fwocked.

But taylors not stupid and i dont think kelly is either so both will be expecting something differnt. I just think over recent performances i will be favouring kelly but i just feel that Jermain just hasnt had a lot of motivation and he needs something like this showdown to show us what he is truely made of.

Agreed on all fronts.

It could go either way, a lot is on the table here. A true case of who wants it more. If Jermain is clever im thinking a very hard faught UD here. But the hunger of kelly is amazing and he could stop him with those hard blows.

Well stated again.

I just have to go with Jermain UD hes been the champ and hes baet the champ and i think he can do it again, gona be close and hes going to have to show everyone why he is the number one.

That is the logical choice because as I have always said...HBO is Winnie the Pooh & Taylor is there littel honeypot...but the way JT got his status was weak & while he is on top of the pile...I will never consider him #1. Let him handle Pavlik (whom I have always said was the dangerman...him & Miranda & you see what Miranda got!) & then I'll start to respect Jermain once again as I did sooooooooo many years ago.

[Bomp]

Nice to see you back wacko CC. You give a great build up to the fight at the start of these threads, you're an educated ftrue fan of the game.

Taylor by KO, I'm not giving an argument for it, I just want it to happen.

OHHHHH it's good to be back with some bigtime boxing on this weekend, I've missed it! Luckily we're catered for with boxing every weekend till October 20th (UFC 77 very good promotion IMO by the boxing powers) and the S*** just gets even better EVERY WEEKEND IS CATERED FOR TILL DEC 8TH! Feast your eyes on this for a list.

Saturday 29th September - Taylor v Pavlik

October 6th - Pacquaio v Barrera

October 13th - Juan Diaz v Julio Diaz (HBO) + Holyfield v Ibragimov (PPV)

October 20th - UFC 77 (For those that dig it)

October 27th - Byrd v Povetkin + Sebastian Sylvester v SImone Rotolo on German TV + Steve Molitor v 3K Battery (Might be on FSN)

Friday Nov 2nd - Eddie Chambers v Calvin Brock (SHO) + Carl Froch v Robin Reid (Sky Sports)

Saturday November 3rd - Joe Calzaghe v Mikkel Kessler (HBO)

November 10th - Haye v Mormeck + Mosley v Cotto

November 17th - Guzman v Soto + UFC 78

Friday November 23rd - Mayorga v Vargas.

December 1st - Tarver v Danny Green, Vernon Forrest v Michele Piccirilo, Celestino Caballero v TBA, Jorge Arce v TBA + JCC jr v Ray Sanchez.

December 8th - Floyd Mayweather v Ricky Hatton.



That's 11 consecutive weeks of good or great fights on TV! (With the exception of Oct 20th for non UFC fans). Lets just hope that injury bug disappears......

I drooled, I actually fucking drooled on my desk reading that list.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yo Big Dan, is rampage fightin at the next UFC?

I'm not jumping ship, i jus think Rampage is cool

[JT Rock]

Sir Wack A Lot and welcoming back the DRBR with open arms

Taylor 90 day free trial is up and were returting his under performing azz with the reciept for a full refund at 160.

Pavlik is young, hungry, determined with wrecking balls in his fists and raw iron in his chin, he will grind Taylor down to a 8th round stoppage... Taylor will be better suited for 168-175 I personally feel like his body is outgrowing the weight and more than likely is adversely effecting his performance

[Cortez The Killer]

I will be very surprised if Pavlik wins this. I'm not rooting for one guy or the other, so I will enjoy no matter what happens.

I think Pavlik will try to keep Taylor backing up to neutralize some of taylor's weapons like he did against Miranda. But I dont think it will work.

They way I see it is there is a chance that Taylor could dominate Pavlik the whole fight, but no way Pavlik can dominate Taylor the whole fight. If things get bad for Taylor he can just stick to the outside and use his jab.

I dont think JT has the confidence to KO Pavlik, so I say Taylor wins UD.

[yoitsdan]

Yo Big Dan, is rampage fightin at the next UFC?

I'm not jumping ship, i jus think Rampage is cool

Rampage faught at UFC 75 in London a few weeks ago, he probably will fight again early 2008.

[TyBuff]

cc Wacko!!!!!! Love the DRbR's

Havent been around for a while but am very interested in this fight. This fight will determine how Taylor goes in the time capsule as MW champion. Taylor has lost a lot of his luster since fighting Bhop and Winky. I think that Pavlik is really going to test him, I favor Pavlik in this one by late (T)KO or close decision.

The other fight I am real interested in is Berto/Estrada. Estrada could give him one heck of a fight but then again Berto might just dominate him. I think that Estrada puts up a good fight for a few rounds before Berto finishes the job in the middle rounds.

[yoitsdan]

If Taylor can stay off those ropes then he can win, out if Winky Wright can put him on them then I think Kelly Pavlik will too, Pavlik just seems to have that aura around him, he looks like he's ready to go out there and beat the world. He's my pick.

[Punisher136]

Taylor by decision.

[Wacko3205]

Nice to see you back wacko CC. You give a great build up to the fight at the start of these threads, you're an educated ftrue fan of the game.

[quote=Bomp ] right back daddyo. What can I say, babe? I'm a lover of the game & vast majority of it's players.

Taylor by KO, I'm not giving an argument for it, I just want it to happen. I think Kelly will throw so many accurate shots that JT won't be able to line up anything other than that weak ass right hook.

He couldnt stop Ouma or Spinks...granted there were smaller & slicker...but Pavlik has a chin & he will stand there & let it be tested just to make a point.

[NuthaPug]

Taylor has lost a lot of his luster since fighting Bhop and Winky.

Taylor lost his luster while fighting them two.

Disappointingly, Hopkins didn't shine either, at least not early enough / long enough, during his fights with Taylor.

Still ... Taylor didn't look so shiny to me.

[amat]

Read the whole post, good stuff Wacko but I disagree with most of it.

I personally feel that Taylor has been a bit overscrutinized. The performance versus Spinks was deplorable but Spinks ran away. And I usually like Spinks but Spinks came to eak out a possible decision and make Taylor look bad. That's the way I look at it anyways.

His second win over Hopkins was legit and the first was razor thin and half the people on the internet only scored it for Hopkins in hindsight. It was not a robbery by any stretch of the imagination. And NOBODY is going to look good against Hopkins as long as he is in the ring.

The fight versus Wright, it was exciting. I thought he lost by 2 rounds and really don't buy the BS that Taylor lost the fight for himself, I actually see it the other way around. But that's another issue. Winky was the number 2 pound for pound fighter in the world and Jermain Taylor put on a respectable showing. He did twice the number that Hopkins did when Hopkins got a decision. And I have a whole winery of sour grapes for that but that's for another day.

As for Pavlik being overrated. Well he doesn't have the resume but nobody fights P4P guys on their way to the title. You do it when you defend. Before he got his title shot, Taylor had only beaten Cuevas, an old Joppy and an old Raul Marquez. Miranda was a guy they were trumping as the most ducked guy in boxing. His nickname Pantera basically described what people thought he was. Very dangerous guy who could probably come back big if he came back to 160. I mean he did batter Abraham.

As for how the fight turns out, it's pretty much a toss up. Both guys have a certain way they want to go about fighting while still having the capability of fighting the other guy's fight.

Pavlik is a guy who's all offense and his pin point punch placement serves as his defense for the most part. He leans forward a lot, always has his opponents at the end of his punches where they do the most damage and he is a beautiful combination puncher. His punch selection is way beyond his years. And of course his activity level is tremendous.

Taylor has gotten away from it a bit but he has really good footwork when he wants to and that is going to be crucial. He is going to have to control distance and the way to do that is with effective footwork. Then of course is the issue of weathering the Pavlik storm and getting off shots of his own. Taylor has been put into a shell by fighters like Wright and Hopkins, he can't afford to do that here.

Taylor is accurate though and you can catch Pavlik between punches so that is what his big advantage in this one is.

In the end, I think Pavlik is going to come away with a close decision after a very good fight. No doubt there are fireworks, I think it's pretty much a sure bet that this one is going to be explosive. Taylor has been slighted for a lot but not for his willingness to trade.

I just think that Pavlik is going to wear down Taylor to much and pull away at the end.