Hopkins should fight Pavlik at a catch weight.

[Taeth]

Hopkins wouldn't go near Pavlik with a barge pole.

Why would he fancy a fight with a guy half his age when he can still sell fights, that he can win, against fellow geriatrics?

He's always been smart picking his fights.

Um... Everybody thought he would lose to Tarver pretty much. There is no reason Bernard can't win this fight if you've watched him at all in his last two fights.

[Kev]

I seem to be in a minority here but I'd love to see the Nard in with Kelly Pavlik.

Furthermore those who are saying that Hop would be scared to fight him have short term memories.

Wehn Hopkins fought Taylor, Jermain was being hyped as the next big thing and Hopkins was given a load of credit beforehand for taking that first fight.

BHop will do whatever makes him the most money and does his legacy best.

I'm sure he'd love to fight Pavlik for the middleweight title again but to be honest he probably couldn't make that weight any more.

Nonetheless I;m 100% sure that if Pavlik wanted to fight Hop and the money was right Hopkins would be 110% up for it.

A classic matchup of wiley malsteful old boxer vs young powerful puncher.

A classic old school fight.

[Taeth]

I seem to be in a minority here but I'd love to see the Nard in with Kelly Pavlik.

Furthermore those who are saying that Hop would be scared to fight him have short term memories.

Wehn Hopkins fought Taylor, Jermain was being hyped as the next big thing and Hopkins was given a load of credit beforehand for taking that first fight.

BHop will do whatever makes him the most money and does his legacy best.

I'm sure he'd love to fight Pavlik for the middleweight title again but to be honest he probably couldn't make that weight any more.

Nonetheless I;m 100% sure that if Pavlik wanted to fight Hop and the money was right Hopkins would be 110% up for it.

A classic matchup of wiley malsteful old boxer vs young powerful puncher.

A classic old school fight.

CC to you

[CutMeMick]

Are you serious?

Hopkins needs to retire hes fucken boring! A while back I said I had it with Hopkins, Winky & JT fighting their shitty! fights..... This time around JT earned my respect for FIGHTING Pavlik. Winky & Hopkins would never go out of their elements and FIGHT someone 'cause they get sparked out.
If Team Pavlik are smart they would pass up on Hopkins & Winky if the fights were offered neither fighter has anything to offer in the ring both shitty! boring fighters whom I've lost my patience with. Pavlik should move on to better things he has AAbraham, Sturm & Duddy. 3 very interesting fights and all with REAL fighters who would climb through the ropes to fight.

That is just such a silly comment.But Winky and Hopkins are shitty because they don't want to get sparked out so they box. Yeah what morons. Come on, Pavlik vs Winky or Hopkins would be very interesting fights.. Just because Hopkins and Winky didn't match up well doesn't mean neither of them have anything to offer the sport any longer.. How can you find Hopkins totally boring? He's a masterful boxer who knows every trick in the book, sure his pace has slowed a good deal with old age but you have to still appreciate his skills and ring smarts. Who else is Pavlik going to face anyways if not Taylor.

Is it?
It's silly to you.
Winky & Hopkins USED TO be masterful skilled fighters now they just pretty much go in the ring and fucken ballroom dance.
I USED TO appreciate their skill, I USED TO be entertained.
I just had it with them, I'm no longer entertained and honestly I no longer see this 'Masterful Skill' you speak of. I just won't bother with them it almost seems like they are content to just go with the drift of a fight not really doing much just punch, hold, punch stand there, punch wait....

Gee, how'd Taylor do against Pavlik this weekend again?? Oh yeah he got KTFO. But Winky and Hopkins are shitty because they don't want to get sparked out so they box.

Well if you've followed Taylor career from the begining you'll know he used to be fighter he would come out swinging and looking for the fight looking for a KO he had some devastating KO's and what looked to be good power. Then he just switched it up all of a sudden, so if Taylor got KO'd this weekend it wasn't cause he decided to fight but because Pavlik hits like a fucken mule kicks..... Pavlik would have caught him regardless even when Taylor decided to use his skill Pavlik still managed to find a way to land that right hand. Same thing Hopkins he USED to be fighter he used to look for the KO he always came in to fight and now that he's old and past his best he just boring. IMO.

He's a masterful boxer who knows every trick in the book, sure his pace has slowed a good deal with old age but you have to still appreciate his skills and ring smarts.

I ain't knocking on what he USED TO do and the things he ONCE did. I'm knocking the Hopkins of today who's slow (as you yourself mentioned) who possibly hugs more often then he throws a punch. His ring smarts USED TO be good when he followed a clinch with a good punch or turned his shoulder and came up with a uppercut. Now it's hug and just wait 'till the ref. breaks them up....

Who else is Pavlik going to face anyways if not Taylor.

Well since you asked...
He could face AAbraham who's the IBF Champ. and has been talking about coming to the states to fight.
Theres also Sturm the WBA Champ. I think theres less of a chance with him BUT he's still there as an opponent.
Shit! In all honesty I would much rather see Pavlik fight Karmazin then Hopkins & Winky at least I'll know I'll be in for a good fight. Karmazin comes to fight and trade. One thing to think about is Karmazins never been down hin his career.....
p4pking look, this might be just me but I just had it with them Winky & Hopkins I'm just not interested anymore....


Who here think's Pavlik can spark out Karmazin?

[Mr140]

Well i would have to cc you cut because you made a lot of good points and the last fight with Winky and Hopkins was lame

[Mr140]

And i do not know much about the fighter you just listed you have vids on him by any chance

[ICB]

Hopkins wouldn't go near Pavlik with a barge pole.

Why would he fancy a fight with a guy half his age when he can still sell fights, that he can win, against fellow geriatrics?

He's always been smart picking his fights.

Um... Everybody thought he would lose to Tarver pretty much. There is no reason Bernard can't win this fight if you've watched him at all in his last two fights.

In his last two fights ?? oh you mean fighting the natural Lightmiddleweight who had never fought above Middleweight but fought Hopkins at Lightheavyweight plus it was a bad fight and quite alot of people thought Winky had won it.

As for Tarver like i said he fought like a joke and give up early in the fight he basically gifted Hopkins the fight because he didn't want to fight.

[CutMeMick]

Well i would have to cc you cut because you made a lot of good points and the last fight with Winky and Hopkins was lame

Heres CC#33 on me Mr140.
I mean I'm not hating on Winky or Hopkins, I just don't see it in them anymore at least from what I've seen from them as of late.

And i do not know much about the fighter you just listed you have vids on him by any chance

Roman Karmazin came on the scene when he beat the then favourite Kassim Ouma for the IBF Light Middle title in '05. I think is when the fight took place it was showcased on 'Boxeo De Oro' on HBO:Latino. He then for his 1st defense took on Cory Spinks it what some people say was a bad decision a handful of people thought Karmazin won and a couple of people thought Spinks won. I myself scored the fight even the 1st time when I saw it then I saw it a second time and scored it for Karmazin. He's fighting Alex 'Terra' Garcia next should be a very interesting fight since A LOT is riding on this fight for 'Terra' and also for Karmazin cause he wan't to prove that the Kassim win and the Spinks loss werent all he had.
Mr140 I couldn't find any footage of Karmazin I'll try and put something up if I find the time.

[Mr140]

Thanks for trying cut you seem to know were to get it if not ice seems to know were to find it

[CutMeMick]

Thanks for trying cut you seem to know were to get it if not ice seems to know were to find it

I tried several places no results.

[Mr140]

And i do not know were every gets the idea of winky winning because i do not because he is getting old and his best wins over Mosely who should not even been fighting at LM i mean Winky at higher weights record is not very good at all compared to when he was a Lm he was way better but i think if he faces Kelly he is out gun He lacks in age, reach, height, punch put out and power i think he loses by UD or knocked out in 11 or 12

[Mr140]

And as far as Bernard goes his best wins besides Taver have been against Blown up middle weights and i not saying he is not good 20 defences are great but look at his best wins and as far as what i think Pavlik wins by late KO at this age i do not think Bernard can last actual i hope they do fight so he can retire bernard and we can get some new blood in the boxing world time for the younger stars get the old dogs out of the ring

[dcR-Reckless]

wow
i would love to see this fight asap!!
wonder if hopkins slick defence and pot shots can get pavlik out of there

[Fenster]

Hopkins wouldn't go near Pavlik with a barge pole.

Why would he fancy a fight with a guy half his age when he can still sell fights, that he can win, against fellow geriatrics?

He's always been smart picking his fights.

Um... Everybody thought he would lose to Tarver pretty much. There is no reason Bernard can't win this fight if you've watched him at all in his last two fights.

Hopkins didn't think he'd lose.

Tarver was coming off looking utter shit beating Jones and messing around with his weight to make a Hollywood movie.

In the past 6/7 years Hopkins has fought one guy in his 20s, in his prime, and lost twice.

[Trainer Monkey]

Hopkins wouldn't go near Pavlik with a barge pole.

Why would he fancy a fight with a guy half his age when he can still sell fights, that he can win, against fellow geriatrics?

He's always been smart picking his fights.

Um... Everybody thought he would lose to Tarver pretty much. There is no reason Bernard can't win this fight if you've watched him at all in his last two fights.

In his last two fights ?? oh you mean fighting the natural Lightmiddleweight who had never fought above Middleweight but fought Hopkins at Lightheavyweight plus it was a bad fight and quite alot of people thought Winky had won it.

As for Tarver like i said he fought like a joke and give up early in the fight he basically gifted Hopkins the fight because he didn't want to fight.

Tarver did not gift the fight to Hopkins,Tarver tries to use a pawing jab to find his range,allways has
Hopkins took it away from him.Tarver couldnt find his range and couldnt load up,which is what he wanted to do.
That being said,I really wish B-hop would just retire