Jr. vs Jr. Prolly an easy question but....

[SalTheButcher]

PBF hasn't fought anyone close to B-Hop or Toney.

he has fought oscar

ODH was almost as old when he fought mayweather as chavez was he he fought him, which is one of the reason everyone thinks ODH is so good

[Julius Rain]

Oscar isnt nearly as good as Toney or B-Hop. Period. Hell an old B-Hop is better than a prime OScar. Oscar should stick to metro and promoting or to taking dives.

oouch!

[rjj tszyu]

PBF hasn't fought anyone close to B-Hop or Toney.

he has fought oscar

ODH was almost as old when he fought mayweather as chavez was he he fought him, which is one of the reason everyone thinks ODH is so good

Hopkins is an all time great so is Toney as is Oscar. Floyd is also going to be remembered as an all time great but p4p he isnt as good as Jones was in his prime. When Jones was fighting at middleweight and supermiddle his punches looked like he was hitting opponents with a sledgehammer and the speed was like nothing ive ever seen at that weight. Not even Ray Leonard had speed like that at middle/supermiddleweight. Another thing is that people say Floyd is a defensive genius which I totally agree with but Jones wasn't bad defensively either after all isnt he the only man in punch stat history not to take a punch for a whole round?

[BoomBoom]

RJJ as of now.

[Swice]

Easily Roy Jones Jr. I mean look at his record James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Mike McCallum, Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, and the list goes on of good and great fighters he has faced. Mayweather hasn't faced as many quality opponents as Roy but we will see what happens by the end of his career.

[Taeth]

Oscar isnt nearly as good as Toney or B-Hop. Period. Hell an old B-Hop is better than a prime OScar. Oscar should stick to metro and promoting or to taking dives.

Besides the size difference which HOpkins had Oscar was holding his own in that fight way more than against Mayweather. Toney is a great fighter, and I will never take that fight away from Roy, but he isn't way better than Oscar, and his lack of speed lost him that fight. Oscar was as fast as he'd ever been at 154 against Mayweather, and he carried his extra weight better htan Toney did that night who came in at 184 for his fight at 168.

[Padilla]

Roy easily. He beat far better fighters than Mayweather has.


Roy is the greatest of this passing era IMO.

He lost his a** to Antonio Tarver a couple times, and even got sparked out by Glen "the Journeyman," Johnson.


Don't get me wrong, Roy is an all time great, but Mayweather has world titles in 5 different weight classes at 30 years old, is still undefeated, and is taking on undefeated world champion Ricky Hatton in his next fight.



Trust me, bro.........................






30 years from now, you will be telling people that you witnessed one of the greatest fighters of all time in his prime

Think about this. Before he lost to Tarver and Johnson. Did you realistically beleive ANYONE had a chance at beating him. There hasnt been many fighters in this sport with the kind of talent that Roy had. You cant blame him for those losses. As you know the downslide in boxing can be a steep slope. And with some fighters it can be a cliff.

And as for the titles. Mayweather picked up alot of those against questionable opposition. Just like Delahoya did before him. Hernandez, and Castillo was solid opponents. But he won the 140 from Corley I think. I could be wrong. And he got the 147 from Baldomir. I wouldnt say thats the greatest of champs. But you're right though. The 5 belts look good. But IMO when it comes to measuring greatness the main criteria is who they fought and beat.

[GAME]

Roy Jones jnr

When he was in his prime there was no question he could beat anyone , anywhere ! You dont get that feeliong with Floyd .

[donnydarkoIRL]

RJJ right now i guess, but i reckon that should things go right for mayweather he will be the one remembered. I feel that when making this decision it is very difficult to be objective. Roy was popular, Roy was a crowd pleaser and Roy was aggresive. Theses factors make himthe very antithesis of Mayweather. Mayweather is not all that popular, he boxers to win for himself not the crowd and he is not aggresive he neutralises his opponents aggression.

This makes it incredibly easy for us as fans to say that Roy was greater. He accomodated our needs and desires by fighting with an intriguing style in a way which excited us. He said the things we wanted to hear and we believed every word. He accomodated us the fans.

Mayweather as i have already stated is the anti-Jones. To use a Shakesperian line "Hyperion to a satyr." He fights using that scientific style which allows him to win convincingly without ever engaging in any dangerous exchanges or flurries. He kills the action in the Ring by negating his opponents work. Outside of the Ring he makes it quite clear he does this for himself. Mayweather accomodates Mayweather.

But consider this. Mayweather accomodating his own needs, may well be the factor that determines his legacy. As he has never been an all action fighter he longevity is less likely to be affected. He can go on another 5 years if he wants as his style allows him too. In fact it is constantly improving as the more expierience he gains the better he becomes. Compare Roy Jones' and Mayweathers careers. As Bilbo stated, they both have the ability to look magnificent when opposed by fighters who appear a class below them. However there is a large difference. Jones worked them over and Knocke them out. Mayweather dominated them for every single second of every round. He boxed their respective ears of....And thats every fight without exception.

In addition, i feel that Mayweather has indeed face the better opposition or at least performed better aginst their parallell opponents.
I mean Roy did some great things to some great fighters....B-Hop and Toney need i say more! But Strangely enough they were two fighters that Took Roy the distance, his greatest feats at middleweight his second weight division (he started at Lm).
And....strangely enough Mayweather stopped one of his best opponents, at his second weight...What he did to Corrales was jaw dropping. (I have rated Corales over Castillo here and im sure il have a knife to my throat later for saying it!)

So don't be so swift to say Roy, he was great no doubt, but i think that Mayweather is building the greater Castle of Memories and will have the larger Jacuzzi in his HoF penthouse.

[headson]

rj had a way bigger impact on boxing so rj son

[Swice]

But consider this. Mayweather accomodating his own needs, may well be the factor that determines his legacy. As he has never been an all action fighter he longevity is less likely to be affected. He can go on another 5 years if he wants as his style allows him too. In fact it is constantly improving as the more expierience he gains the better he becomes. Compare Roy Jones' and Mayweathers careers. As Bilbo stated, they both have the ability to look magnificent when opposed by fighters who appear a class below them. However there is a large difference. Jones worked them over and Knocke them out. Mayweather dominated them for every single second of every round. He boxed their respective ears of....And thats every fight without exception.

In addition, i feel that Mayweather has indeed face the better opposition or at least performed better aginst their parallell opponents.
I mean Roy did some great things to some great fighters....B-Hop and Toney need i say more! But Strangely enough they were two fighters that Took Roy the distance, his greatest feats at middleweight his second weight division (he started at Lm).
And....strangely enough Mayweather stopped one of his best opponents, at his second weight...What he did to Corrales was jaw dropping. (I have rated Corales over Castillo here and im sure il have a knife to my throat later for saying it!)

So don't be so swift to say Roy, he was great no doubt, but i think that Mayweather is building the greater Castle of Memories and will have the larger Jacuzzi in his HoF penthouse.

Mayweather didn't dominate Castillo in there first or second fight, in fact some people believe he even lost the first. And he didn't dominate Oscar De La Hoya either.

But Mayweather's best opponents don't come close to matching up with Roy's. Diego Corrales(R.I.P.) doesn't come anywhere near the legacy of a Bernard Hopkins or a James Toney. Toney and Hopkins are boxers who have had great success in multiple weight classes, while Corrales only found success at lightweight. And when he did try to move up he got starched by Joshua Clottey.

[Taeth]

Roy Jones jnr

When he was in his prime there was no question he could beat anyone , anywhere ! You dont get that feeliong with Floyd .

I think a lot of people thought McClellan, Nunn, Benn would give him interesting fights. I think that ROy JOnes Jr. would have curb stomped anyone Ray Robinson ever fought even at 35 if he hadn't gone up to heavyweight, but people say Ray Robinson is better. BOth Mayweather and Jones have very solid names on their rosters, and both have made almost everyone look stupid. Mayweather had his troubles with Castillo which he rectified and Jones had his problems with Griffin.

[OumaFan]

Hard to tell right now but I do think Floyd will have more success later in his career-if he continues on like Roy has-because he's got better technical skill and relies a bit less on his athleticism. When he starts to slow down a bit he should still be all right cause he's just such a skilled guy.

[BoomBoom]

I dont think Floyd will adapt well with age, because he has shown no concern about jumping weight and its effects on his body. Hes still reletively young, but hes the kind of guy when he losses, specifically gets stopped he will continue to fight but he will not be the same. Almost all of the great champions have regained a title and Floyd will want to do the same. Every fighter he has faced over 135 has shown him too much respect. I suspect Hatton may too (thjoughhopefully he doesnt). The guys that wouldnt, Cotto, Mosley, Williams, or whoever else he hasnt faced YET but when he does then we will know how great he is and will be in the history books.

[donnydarkoIRL]

But consider this. Mayweather accomodating his own needs, may well be the factor that determines his legacy. As he has never been an all action fighter he longevity is less likely to be affected. He can go on another 5 years if he wants as his style allows him too. In fact it is constantly improving as the more expierience he gains the better he becomes. Compare Roy Jones' and Mayweathers careers. As Bilbo stated, they both have the ability to look magnificent when opposed by fighters who appear a class below them. However there is a large difference. Jones worked them over and Knocke them out. Mayweather dominated them for every single second of every round. He boxed their respective ears of....And thats every fight without exception.

In addition, i feel that Mayweather has indeed face the better opposition or at least performed better aginst their parallell opponents.
I mean Roy did some great things to some great fighters....B-Hop and Toney need i say more! But Strangely enough they were two fighters that Took Roy the distance, his greatest feats at middleweight his second weight division (he started at Lm).
And....strangely enough Mayweather stopped one of his best opponents, at his second weight...What he did to Corrales was jaw dropping. (I have rated Corales over Castillo here and im sure il have a knife to my throat later for saying it!)

So don't be so swift to say Roy, he was great no doubt, but i think that Mayweather is building the greater Castle of Memories and will have the larger Jacuzzi in his HoF penthouse.

Mayweather didn't dominate Castillo in there first or second fight, in fact some people believe he even lost the first. And he didn't dominate Oscar De La Hoya either.

But Mayweather's best opponents don't come close to matching up with Roy's. Diego Corrales(R.I.P.) doesn't come anywhere near the legacy of a Bernard Hopkins or a James Toney. Toney and Hopkins are boxers who have had great success in multiple weight classes, while Corrales only found success at lightweight. And when he did try to move up he got starched by Joshua Clottey.

True that Mayweather didn't dominate Castillo in their first meeting, but everyone has their nightmare nights.
See Roy vs. Montell Griffin 1. Mayweather really did beat Castillo in the rematch.
In reply to your comment on oscar, i feel that Pbf did a good job against the naturally much much bigger Oscar. Asking Mayweather to KO Oscar would have been the equivalent of Asking Roy to Ko John Ruiz, and no way in hell was that happening.

In relation to ur comments on Toney and Hopkins. Yes these two enjoyed great success in multiple weight classes....AFTER they had been beaten by Jones.
SAying the legacy's of these respective fighters was greater than that of Corrales is easy to say but incorrect when taken in context.
Hopkins had nowhere near peaked, he had never been world champion and his legacy will be based on how he changed AFTER the Jones fight. After the jones fight he became greta. Toney was a great Middleweight but again his success was at higher weights after the loss to Jones.
Corrales had already been champ before he met Mayweather.
What use is bringing Clottey into it? Did Corrales not redeem himself enough with the Castillo fight. Would you have preferred he had taken a more elongated beating?