This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!

[Violent Demise]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete ass.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the SHIT out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my ASS!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

[Wright]

"My Man"? Didn't mean to interrupt.

[Wacko3205]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is it EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted or Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

I hate to bust nuts here...& I aint an authority on Hopkins...but I am a die hard fan of the man...& whether he says something that I agree with or not...I have to be unbiased & stick to the facts...those being...Hopkins has turned down Calzaghe twice.

The first time was back in the day & it was actually over an agreed upon purse that was negotiated between King & Warren for $3 million dollars. Hopkins agree...then switched up within the week demanding $6 million. Many say that it was due to the location...but that's bullshit. The fight was arranged as being Calzaghe's first trip to America. The fight was speculated to take place across the pond on a hostile mat...but in all actuallity it was to be fought here in the U.S.

The next time was just prior to the Tarver fight. Calzaghe & Hopkins were going to battle over 10million dollars but Hopkins wanted to make a statement by taking the WBC heavyweight strap from Oleg Maskaev. A lot of noise was made & Hopkins bailed on the proposed Calzaghe bout.

Honestly...I can't remember the exact article...but Hopkins was interviewed & stated that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

I usually copy & keep all Hopkins interviews & quotes...being that I am such a huge Hopkins fan...that being said...he's turned down the fight offers people...he has.

[Wacko3205]

Let me just say this…I love Hopkins…but he’s just gotdam backwards sometimes & it’s not always just within the negotiation circles.

Not many people know about it or choose not to remember…but ever since he came out of obscurity with the Trinidad win…he’s done more than just pass up on matches against Calzaghe. He passed on a big money rematch with Roy Jones & Trinidad too. Tito went on to face Wright & got his ass handed to him. Hopkins coulda banked off that win.

The last time that Hopkins mentioned wanting Calzaghe was after he whipped the shit outta Tarverl He also started making noise once he heard about Taylor turning down a Calzaghe offer...too.

Not just that…but in the process of his career he’s pissed off the two big networks more than once, with Showtime vowing to never even begin to negotiate with him in anyway shape or form. Hopkins has most likely turned down more money than he’s made.

One of the main things that really killed me was when he fired his life time trainer & mentor Bouie Fisher. Bouie would later sue him over some miniscule sum of money that Hopkins pretty much admitted to not paying…just to prove a point. Prior to that…he got sued by his old promoter Lou Dibella for something like $600,000 & looked like a total fool in the process.

Again…I love’s me some Nard…but he is definitely in the wrong on more occasions than one. Honestly…I’m curious to see how long he lasts with Oscar.

[Wacko3205]

After the Winky fight :

Weeks later : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-aaHaMU3nc

Directly adder in the ring : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYwiYn8BzdU

He sounds off on Calzaghe…so I guess better late than never.

Hopkins is now in a position that he can demand & get the money that he wanted back in the day against Joe. I still say that Joe will give Hopkins fits at this state of his career. If he beats Hopkins…he’ll get much credit…none of that shit of “Hopkins is old” or whatever.

Many try to find primes in fighters…I honestly say that Hopkins is in his second primes. You have to look at it like this…Hopkins was honing his skills as the middleweight prison champion in Phillie. When Bernard was coming up during 1999 through 2004...maybe 2005...he was hitting his technical prime…now this is just my opinion & I have voiced it before to much laughter…but Hopkins fought two different styles in his prime.

Sure he’s a different style of fighter now then he was when he went by the Terror…he was a KO fighter back in his day…now he’s technical, savy, cagey, whatever you want to refer to him as…two different circumstances.

The thing about it is though…Calzaghe is just so awkward & fast…I say that it causes Hopkins many issues.

I could be wrong…but honestly…right now…I need to ease outta this conversation…I’ve been hittin the sauce a bit…& now aint the time. Heh heh heh.

[El Gamo]

RJJ ducked nobody. I do believe B Hop did not want to fight JC.

[Mr140]

Yea but the thing with Hopkins are his best wins are against a former Superfeatherweight and a Welterweight i just do not get why he is praised so much

[Preme]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is it EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted or Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

Sorry daxx but this has been quoted and covered a shitloads of times with don king and his people all confirming hopkins turned down 3mill and wanted 6million and no less...

Just about everyone involved in trying to make that fight all confirm that, its not even debatable lol...

Sure calzaghe has almost zero power now, thats what happens when you have bust your hands a million times.. He was hitting extremlly hard before the major hand troubles tho...

[Mr140]

Reason that i say that about Hopkins is because it is easy to look at a lot of his defences and alot were not that great either as well

[Wacko3205]

RJJ ducked nobody. I do believe B Hop did not want to fight JC.

I guess that it depends on what you consider ducking.

After Joe blasted Veit out in the first round of their first bout he was in negotiations with Roy to come to the states. The same thing that happened with Hopkins happened with Jones…he priced himself out of the bout.

What kills me (I was a RJ fan through & through back in the day) about Roy is that he pretty much hand picked his opponents. A Calzaghe fight would have been fantastic back in the day…hell…it’d probably be good today…but Roy needs Joe now…not the other way around.

Maybe Joe should slam the door on the fights by asking for retarded amount of money.

[Tito BHB]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

[Wacko3205]

Reason that i say that about Hopkins is because it is easy to look at a lot of his defences and alot were not that great either as well

Hopkins won the national penitentiary middleweight championship three times & was considered one of the most amazing boxers on the prison circuit.

Came out of prison & started @ 175...lost. Got back to his legit weight & had 20 wins without a loss. 15 of those were won by knockout, 11 coming in the first round.

Lost his IBF title to Jones & then won it back against Mercado & then defended it 12 times without a loss.

Then went on to win the WBO, WBA, & WBC straps…thus becoming the first boxer to ever unify the titles of all four major sanctioning bodies.

Lost to Taylor & then came back to defeat Tarver & win the 175 strap…then went on to totally frustrate & handle Winky Wright.

Tally all that up & couple that with the fact that Hopkins defended his titles for 20 consecutive defenses against fighters that were ranked & game contenders when Hopkins battered them…that’s why many boxers, writers, & fans respect him.

[Wacko3205]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

Did you miss the fact that I stated that this was a direct Hopkins quote?

Look...I'm a fan of Hopkins through & through...but what the man says...he means & he has haggled his way out of two Calzaghe fights. The first one was being negotiated through Don King whom Hopkins fought for.

The later was a Hopkins interview...where he stated (& I repeat) that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

He said it...so how is that Warren & Calzaghe propaganda? It's not...it's what Hopkins said when they made him an offer. He wanted Maskaev & turned it down...a second time...now he needs Joe because he can't get a fight at heavy & he's also made noise that he owes Joe for breaking his defense record.

[Tito BHB]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

Did you miss the fact that I stated that this was a direct Hopkins quote?

Look...I'm a fan of Hopkins through & through...but what the man says...he means & he has haggled his way out of two Calzaghe fights. The first one was being negotiated through Don King whom Hopkins fought for.

The later was a Hopkins interview...where he stated (& I repeat) that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

He said it...so how is that Warren & Calzaghe propaganda? It's not...it's what Hopkins said when they made him an offer. He wanted Maskaev & turned it down...a second time...now he needs Joe because he can't get a fight at heavy & he's also made noise that he owes Joe for breaking his defense record.

Lets have it right..

Firstly "Did you miss the fact.. ".. Wack..I found your manners in the street earlier ..Whats your adress i'll post them to you.. All i ask is for people to be polite to me

And secondly my comment was a direct response to the original post and nothing else on this thread

[Preme]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

Did you miss the fact that I stated that this was a direct Hopkins quote?

Look...I'm a fan of Hopkins through & through...but what the man says...he means & he has haggled his way out of two Calzaghe fights. The first one was being negotiated through Don King whom Hopkins fought for.

The later was a Hopkins interview...where he stated (& I repeat) that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

He said it...so how is that Warren & Calzaghe propaganda? It's not...it's what Hopkins said when they made him an offer. He wanted Maskaev & turned it down...a second time...now he needs Joe because he can't get a fight at heavy & he's also made noise that he owes Joe for breaking his defense record.

CC wack, tis one of the reasons i like your posts, even tho we don't always see eye to eye you don't defend your fighters or hate on others for the sake of it.