Puya's take on Oscar de La Hoya

[SweetPea]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

[bigjess31]

Subjective, what is not subjective is the fact that he is one of the best fighters of his era....not what that intelligene deprivede excuse for a poster wrote in this thread

[Puya]

Subjective, what is not subjective is the fact that he is one of the best fighters of his era....not what that intelligene deprivede excuse for a poster wrote in this thread

IS Funny who Mosley was still in his prime while he fought Collazo but months later when he fought Cotto he was old and slow. Hey bigjess31 did you loose money in this fight.

[bzkfn]

Subjective, what is not subjective is the fact that he is one of the best fighters of his era....not what that intelligene deprivede excuse for a poster wrote in this thread

#5. Sorry Puya man, you were being a bit harsh on this one. Fair play, you don't like Oscar. But to say he's bad for boxing is just plain wrong. The viewing figures brought in by him and Floyd this year are proof of that. Oscar's promotional company have given us one of the best years in boxing. Also, as a fighter, Oscar has always fought the best. The only fight he ducked, was the Winky fight. Other than that, he fought some elite competition, and moved up 6 weights to make sure he was still fighting the best.

Pea, I thought he won the Quartey fight by a point. I also thought he beat Shane second time around and I still (yes still!) haven't seen the Trinidad fight. I agree he lost to Whittaker though.

[BlackRazor]

I hope he figths Judah and gets KTFO.

If they ever fought, Judah would get knocked out. Even past his prime, Oscar's left hand is more than enough to hurt Judah's shaky chin.

Yes you are probably right, I just wish someone else completely undeserving would hand ODLH supreme punishment....

Yes, well love Oscar or hate him, he was great for the sport of boxing because people either really like or hated him - he brought out passion. I wish we had more boxing stars like him now that even casual fight fans knew about. Even women who hate boxing know about Oscar.

And yes, Oscar had "interesting" decisions go both for & against him but I think we can all agree he fought a bunch of tough, good fighters in his time. I give him credit for just stepping in the ring with some of the guys he did. His fights were also usually pretty exciting, he dropped or got dropped in most of his biggest fights.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

I agree here but your comments about Winky/Oscar...

Nope. Winky was the one wating around for a fight against a 'name'. Oscar could have fought Winky instead of chasing $$$ for a fight with B-HOP. He knew he would loose either way, i guess so it means he is a business man 1st. A boxer 2nd.

Also, in regards to Floyd, The fact that he was/is P4P no.1 was IMO was just a matter of the greatest convenience


Mind you, with all that siad. Oscar, prior to his stint at 160, was an undeniable attribute to the sport. Now i see him purely as a drain on it. Only good for paydays, getting in the way of the natural progression of things.

[SweetPea]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

I agree here but your comments about Winky/Oscar...

Nope. Winky was the one wating around for a fight against a 'name'. Oscar could have fought Winky instead of chasing $$$ for a fight with B-HOP. He knew he would loose either way, i guess so it means he is a business man 1st. A boxer 2nd.

Also, in regards to Floyd, The fact that he was/is P4P no.1 was IMO was just a matter of the greatest convenience


Mind you, with all that siad. Oscar, prior to his stint at 160, was an undeniable attribute to the sport. Now i see him purely as a drain on it. Only good for paydays, getting in the way of the natural progression of things.

How could you ever fault Oscar for fighting Hopkins instead of Winky?? Hopkins was a much bigger challenge and a much bigger fight. Oscar was moving up to 160 to fight a great champ who was closing in on 20 defenses.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Oscar fought Mayorga instead of Winky because he had been off for 20 months and needed a comeback fight at 154. Also, it's not like Winky was just sitting around, he was at 160 fighting Jermain Taylor for the middleweight title.

Iv just realised you ment after BHOP. I was talking about before BHOP my bad.

How could you ever fault Oscar for fighting Hopkins instead of Winky?? Hopkins was a much bigger challenge and a much bigger fight. Oscar was moving up to 160 to fight a great champ who was closing in on 20 defenses.

Its hard to, given the added major factor of $$$ but still, i think he (and we) knew his chances of a 'W' were slim either way (even more so in hindsight).

[Taeth]

First I have to admit that he has done good to boxing making fights as a promoter but as a boxer he is damaging the sport.

First lose the fight against Mosley part II then he fights Vargar....why? he lost by KO to Tito, after that goes up to fight Felix Sturm he won the fight but almost everyone felt that he lost that fight. Then I give him credit for fighting B-Hop but lost by KO. This is the part I most hate.....HE is decided not to fight Winky after he(Winky) Pick apart Tito in a fashion way but goes to fight MAYORGA the one who lost by KO to Tito and of course Oscar won it. Then he decides to look for smaller opponents and finds Mayweather who was extremely hungry for money and lost by SD a fight that in my eyes he lost by 2 rounds 116-112.

So far he had more losses than wins but the fight he won where against Mayorga and a gift decision against Sturm.

Why in the world he is so deserving to fight Cotto or the winner of Hatton / Mayweather ? this 3 are Elite while Oscar is NO MORE. Like everyone else he has to fight hes way up to get another chance For example....

Margarito looses the fight against Williams so he goes and fights his way to get another shot and since Oscar looses to PBF he has to fight and win to get another shot.. I have an Idea!!! instead of causing more damage to the sport of boxing do good then since you have 2 more fights in you like you said. Leave Cotto and the Winner of HAtton/Mayweather and go fight Margarito to see how can you handle a top WW and if you win BOOM there is your shot at the title or you can do us a favor and retire your a** and do what you are doing great Boxing promotion.

I had to take it out of my system and please excuse my grammar.

WTF are you talking about? First of all Oscar didn't lose by KO to Tito... only Bernard has ko'ed him. Second IMO, and in his opinion Oscar beat Mosley in their second fight. Also Mosley wasn't going to fight Oscar again because he wanted 50-50 so then he fought Wright. Secondly Oscar has done very lately... he stood equal to a middleweight before the size difference overcame him. Except Sturm he has made only good showings lately, and has improved as a fighter. He beat Mayorga much worse than Tito did, and that was a tune up match. Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

No. Thats 2 rounds

Perhaps he ment 2 rounds not points

[Taeth]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

He easily beat Whitaker... not that it was an easy fight, but it was definite that he came out on top... like Cotto-Mosley when watched a few times. Oscar was landing the harder shots, and he landed more, but he did lose to Ike Quartey by a round or two... I felt Quartey had superior hand speed and really gave Oscar troubles, but even that was only by a round or two.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

He easily beat Whitaker... not that it was an easy fight, but it was definite that he came out on top... like Cotto-Mosley when watched a few times. Oscar was landing the harder shots, and he landed more, but he did lose to Ike Quartey by a round or two... I felt Quartey had superior hand speed and really gave Oscar troubles, but even that was only by a round or two.

Im yet to see a single Ike Quartey fight

[Puya]

First I have to admit that he has done good to boxing making fights as a promoter but as a boxer he is damaging the sport.

First lose the fight against Mosley part II then he fights Vargar....why? he lost by KO to Tito, after that goes up to fight Felix Sturm he won the fight but almost everyone felt that he lost that fight. Then I give him credit for fighting B-Hop but lost by KO. This is the part I most hate.....HE is decided not to fight Winky after he(Winky) Pick apart Tito in a fashion way but goes to fight MAYORGA the one who lost by KO to Tito and of course Oscar won it. Then he decides to look for smaller opponents and finds Mayweather who was extremely hungry for money and lost by SD a fight that in my eyes he lost by 2 rounds 116-112.

So far he had more losses than wins but the fight he won where against Mayorga and a gift decision against Sturm.

Why in the world he is so deserving to fight Cotto or the winner of Hatton / Mayweather ? this 3 are Elite while Oscar is NO MORE. Like everyone else he has to fight hes way up to get another chance For example....

Margarito looses the fight against Williams so he goes and fights his way to get another shot and since Oscar looses to PBF he has to fight and win to get another shot.. I have an Idea!!! instead of causing more damage to the sport of boxing do good then since you have 2 more fights in you like you said. Leave Cotto and the Winner of HAtton/Mayweather and go fight Margarito to see how can you handle a top WW and if you win BOOM there is your shot at the title or you can do us a favor and retire your a** and do what you are doing great Boxing promotion.

I had to take it out of my system and please excuse my grammar.

WTF are you talking about? First of all Oscar didn't lose by KO to Tito... only Bernard has ko'ed him. Second IMO, and in his opinion Oscar beat Mosley in their second fight. Also Mosley wasn't going to fight Oscar again because he wanted 50-50 so then he fought Wright. Secondly Oscar has done very lately... he stood equal to a middleweight before the size difference overcame him. Except Sturm he has made only good showings lately, and has improved as a fighter. He beat Mayorga much worse than Tito did, and that was a tune up match. Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

Nope I said he lost to Tito, Mosley, B-Hop by KO and PBF by 2 (rounds in my eyes).
When I meant he is damaging the sport is the issue of coming between the Winner of PBF/HAtton vs Cotto instead of earning his way to a Tittle shot.(I said earn because he has lost his fights and with the best out there it don't matter they were close a loss is a loss).

Margarito is doing what he suppose to do, Oscar should do the same and since they are both in the same weight class now they should fight each other and the winner could be set to fight the winner of Cotto vs PBF/HAtton.

[Puya]

First I have to admit that he has done good to boxing making fights as a promoter but as a boxer he is damaging the sport.

First lose the fight against Mosley part II then he fights Vargar....why? he lost by KO to Tito, after that goes up to fight Felix Sturm he won the fight but almost everyone felt that he lost that fight. Then I give him credit for fighting B-Hop but lost by KO. This is the part I most hate.....HE is decided not to fight Winky after he(Winky) Pick apart Tito in a fashion way but goes to fight MAYORGA the one who lost by KO to Tito and of course Oscar won it. Then he decides to look for smaller opponents and finds Mayweather who was extremely hungry for money and lost by SD a fight that in my eyes he lost by 2 rounds 116-112.

So far he had more losses than wins but the fight he won where against Mayorga and a gift decision against Sturm.

Why in the world he is so deserving to fight Cotto or the winner of Hatton / Mayweather ? this 3 are Elite while Oscar is NO MORE. Like everyone else he has to fight hes way up to get another chance For example....

Margarito looses the fight against Williams so he goes and fights his way to get another shot and since Oscar looses to PBF he has to fight and win to get another shot.. I have an Idea!!! instead of causing more damage to the sport of boxing do good then since you have 2 more fights in you like you said. Leave Cotto and the Winner of HAtton/Mayweather and go fight Margarito to see how can you handle a top WW and if you win BOOM there is your shot at the title or you can do us a favor and retire your a** and do what you are doing great Boxing promotion.

I had to take it out of my system and please excuse my grammar.

WTF are you talking about? First of all Oscar didn't lose by KO to Tito... only Bernard has ko'ed him. Second IMO, and in his opinion Oscar beat Mosley in their second fight. Also Mosley wasn't going to fight Oscar again because he wanted 50-50 so then he fought Wright. Secondly Oscar has done very lately... he stood equal to a middleweight before the size difference overcame him. Except Sturm he has made only good showings lately, and has improved as a fighter. He beat Mayorga much worse than Tito did, and that was a tune up match. Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

Yeah I meant that Vargas loose by KO against Tito( why in the world he wanted to fight Vargas?) and then goes and fight B-hop and loose by KO.

anyways if you are defending him that Mayorga was just a tune up then he needs a tune up now and then get a shot at the title. Go fight Margarito, Mosley or the winner of Williams vs Cintron.

EARN YOUR SHOT!!!!!

[zhubin]

First I have to admit that he has done good to boxing making fights as a promoter but as a boxer he is damaging the sport.

First lose the fight against Mosley part II then he fights Vargar....why? he lost by KO to Tito, after that goes up to fight Felix Sturm he won the fight but almost everyone felt that he lost that fight. Then I give him credit for fighting B-Hop but lost by KO. This is the part I most hate.....HE is decided not to fight Winky after he(Winky) Pick apart Tito in a fashion way but goes to fight MAYORGA the one who lost by KO to Tito and of course Oscar won it. Then he decides to look for smaller opponents and finds Mayweather who was extremely hungry for money and lost by SD a fight that in my eyes he lost by 2 rounds 116-112.

So far he had more losses than wins but the fight he won where against Mayorga and a gift decision against Sturm.

Why in the world he is so deserving to fight Cotto or the winner of Hatton / Mayweather ? this 3 are Elite while Oscar is NO MORE. Like everyone else he has to fight hes way up to get another chance For example....

Margarito looses the fight against Williams so he goes and fights his way to get another shot and since Oscar looses to PBF he has to fight and win to get another shot.. I have an Idea!!! instead of causing more damage to the sport of boxing do good then since you have 2 more fights in you like you said. Leave Cotto and the Winner of HAtton/Mayweather and go fight Margarito to see how can you handle a top WW and if you win BOOM there is your shot at the title or you can do us a favor and retire your a** and do what you are doing great Boxing promotion.

I had to take it out of my system and please excuse my grammar.

WTF are you talking about? First of all Oscar didn't lose by KO to Tito... only Bernard has ko'ed him. Second IMO, and in his opinion Oscar beat Mosley in their second fight. Also Mosley wasn't going to fight Oscar again because he wanted 50-50 so then he fought Wright. Secondly Oscar has done very lately... he stood equal to a middleweight before the size difference overcame him. Except Sturm he has made only good showings lately, and has improved as a fighter. He beat Mayorga much worse than Tito did, and that was a tune up match. Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

Yeah I meant that Vargas loose by KO against Tito( why in the world he wanted to fight Vargas?) and then goes and fight B-hop and loose by KO.

anyways if you are defending him that Mayorga was just a tune up then he needs a tune up now and then get a shot at the title. Go fight Margarito, Mosley or the winner of Williams vs Cintron.

EARN YOUR SHOT!!!!!

He doesn't have to earn anything. That is what happens when you are the biggest star in boxing....whether you like it or not. All the fighters you have mentioned...Cotto, Hatton, Margarito...would kill to fight Oscar. Because Oscar brings the $$$ and publicity. Even Shane and Floyd would love to have another fight with Oscar. As far as why he fought Vargas...no idea why you are having a problem with that. At the time, Vargas was still a very good and exciting fighter. Plus they had the whole bad blood/feud thing going. It made for a big event and a very good fight (a fight where Oscar beat a juiced Vargas). You have to realize that the fight business is as much about money as it is anything else. Oscar generates money not only for himself...but also for the promotional companies, HBO, and the fighter that steps in the ring with him. Add to that....he is a pretty damn good boxer who never embarrasses himself in the ring. No need to hate.