Dariusz Michalczewski Fighting In 2008 ??

[Violent Demise]

I remember at one time Jones was considering going to Germany to fight Michalczewski. But than he saw Charles Brewer go to Germany and get his title stolen by Sven Ottke. After that, Jones said fuck that. I don't blame him.

[Mr140]

Yea but you can not blame Michalczwski not his fualt he was the champion why should he go.

[Violent Demise]

Yea but you can not blame Michalczwski not his fualt he was the champion why should he go.

Because Michalczewski always needed Jones more than Jones needed him

[Mr140]

Yea but he was alos the established champ and roy was just comming into the weight.

[ICB]

Yea but he was alos the established champ and roy was just comming into the weight.

Jones was P4P number 1 and Dariusz Michalczewski expected Jones to come to Germany to get robbed ?? i don't think so and Jones had been at Lightheavyweight since 1996 so how did he *just* come into Lightheavyweight ??

[Mr140]

He was the wbo champion and had only fought a year so i think he was still new if they were going to fight in 1997.

[ICB]

He was the wbo champion and had only fought a year so i think he was still new if they were going to fight in 1997.

No it wasn't just in 1997 this was talked about.

[Violent Demise]

He was the wbo champion and had only fought a year so i think he was still new if they were going to fight in 1997.

The WBO is garbage. It meant less than, than it does now. And it ain't worth much now.

[CutMeMick]

Yes it is his fault you honestly think Jones would go to Germany when they have some of the most biased scoring in boxing history ?? plus Jones was robbed in Olympics i wouldn't of gone either.

Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.

Roy was also criticized for never fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, an unbeaten Polish fighter who had been stripped of a pair of championship belts without losing in the ring. Roy made efforts to bring the fight to the U.S., but Michalczewski would not comply.

ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No

Yes it is his fault you honestly think Jones would go to Germany when they have some of the most biased scoring in boxing history ?? plus Jones was robbed in Olympics i wouldn't of gone either.

As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime
RJJ,even though he would be the one who would have come closest to beating him...

Eaxcatly JohnnyBoy bad fight scoring happens anywhere.
Truth be told I must be the only person here who thinks Dariusz could have pulled it off.
Dariusz was a damn! beast man and whe he was on one, he was one.

Yea but you can not blame Michalczwski not his fualt he was the champion why should he go.

Because Michalczewski always needed Jones more than Jones needed him

Well the 'Need' is created by the boxing media. Being that RJJ is based here in the states it's only obvious he'd get the spot light.
US Olympian, flashy, young & confident.
Or
Dariusz 'The Tiger' Michalczewski from Gdansk, Poland
Jee let me think?
The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.

Jones was P4P number 1 and Dariusz Michalczewski expected Jones to come to Germany to get robbed ??

ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?

i don't think so and Jones had been at Lightheavyweight since 1996 so how did he *just* come into Lightheavyweight ??

Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division. Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. Shit! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.

[ICB]

Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.

Yes there is wrong decisions everywhere but its well known that in Germany its almost impossible to win a decision and the reason i brung up Jones losing in the amateur's by robbery decision is because that would be in the back of Jones's mind and Jones did not need to travel anywhere he was the P4P number 1 boxer at that time if anyone wants to fight him they have to come to him simple as that.


ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No

No your not lying but Dariusz knew Jones would never come to Germany i mean just think about it this way if your P4P number 1 boxer in the world would you travel to a country like Germany that has the worst biased scoring in boxing ?? really and truthfully ?? all im saying is if Dariusz would have been willing to come to USA the fight would have been made.


[b]As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime

Thats not the point the point is Jones was robbed badly in the Olympics and i can understand if he doesn't want to go to Germany.


The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.

Yes but Hatton is willing to come to USA Dariusz wasn't.


ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?

Jones had been P4P 1 for atleast 1 year before Dariusz vs Jones fight was talked about if i can remember right ??

The reason i keep bringing up the Olympics is because i can understand Jones not wanting to go to Germany to get robbed i wouldn't either.



Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division

I didn't say he was the number 1 man at Lightheavyweight.

Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. S***! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.

Thats not Jones fault Dariusz lost his IBF title for not defending against the mandatory challenger the fight could of easily of been made had Dariusz fought in the USA and it would of helped him get the exposure so why not ?? and the reason why Dariusz stood in the dark was because all of his fights were in Germany except for one of his fight there was in Poland it his own fault and prime Jones UD Dariusz imo.

[ICB]

Well my quoting just got all screwed up i hope you can read my points though Mick.

[JohnnyKickAss]

Well my quoting just got all screwed up i hope you can read my points though Mick.

Maybe you should quote the old-fashioned way...

And as for your german preconception...maybe you can name some fighters beside Sven Ottke and Valuev
who you think robbed someone through a decision win even though they actually lost...

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[CutMeMick]

he was the P4P number 1 boxer at that time if anyone wants to fight him they have to come to him simple as that.

Jones had been P4P 1 for atleast 1 year before Dariusz vs Jones fight was talked about if i can remember right ??

I'm curious to know where you get that RJJ was P4P #1 in '96?
In '96 RJJ was not #1 P4P.
I think Pernell was still #1 with Lopez & RJJ at #2 & #3.
(I see SweetPea's logged in right now and he and I talked about the P4P #1 passing of the torch maybe he has some input to lend here)

No your not lying but Dariusz knew Jones would never come to Germany i mean just think about it this way if your P4P number 1 boxer in the world would you travel to a country like Germany that has the worst biased scoring in boxing ?? really and truthfully ?? all im saying is if Dariusz would have been willing to come to USA the fight would have been made.

Again RJJ was not #1 P4P in '96 especially when he lost by DQ.
RJJ became #1 P4P in '97.
After Pernells lost to ODLH.

Yes but Hatton is willing to come to USA Dariusz wasn't.

Hattons not a champ in the Welter division. So he really doesn't have much of a say there. My point being that when 2 fighters are willing to fight who cares of the venue and everything else. They just want to get in the ring and fight.

The reason i keep bringing up the Olympics is because i can understand Jones not wanting to go to Germany to get robbed i wouldn't either.

But why do you say to go to Germany to get robbed as if you know that RJJ would have been robbed.
What makes you so sure of that?
I can understand RJJ didn't want to travel, but you keep saying to get robbed as if that was guaranteed to happen.

Thats not Jones fault Dariusz lost his IBF title for not defending against the mandatory challenger the fight could of easily of been made had Dariusz fought in the USA and it would of helped him get the exposure so why not ??

ICB, Dariusz was given like 2 weeks to defend his title after he beat Hill, you might wanna look a little more into that.

and the reason why Dariusz stood in the dark was because all of his fights were in Germany except for one of his fight there was in Poland it his own fault and prime Jones UD Dariusz imo.

I can live with your outcome of the fight. That's what it's about but by anymeans will I let people mix up the facts about who was the established champ or in this case how booze tried to show up Dariusz by posting the titles he won. Theirs more to it then meets the eye and that's what I wanted to clarify.

[ICB]

he was the P4P number 1 boxer at that time if anyone wants to fight him they have to come to him simple as that.

Jones had been P4P 1 for atleast 1 year before Dariusz vs Jones fight was talked about if i can remember right ??

I'm curious to know where you get that RJJ was P4P #1 in '96?
In '96 RJJ was not #1 P4P.
I think Pernell was still #1 with Lopez & RJJ at #2 & #3.
(I see SweetPea's logged in right now and he and I talked about the P4P #1 passing of the torch maybe he has some input to lend here)

No your not lying but Dariusz knew Jones would never come to Germany i mean just think about it this way if your P4P number 1 boxer in the world would you travel to a country like Germany that has the worst biased scoring in boxing ?? really and truthfully ?? all im saying is if Dariusz would have been willing to come to USA the fight would have been made.

Again RJJ was not #1 P4P in '96 especially when he lost by DQ.
RJJ became #1 P4P in '97.
After Pernells lost to ODLH.

Yes but Hatton is willing to come to USA Dariusz wasn't.

Hattons not a champ in the Welter division. So he really doesn't have much of a say there. My point being that when 2 fighters are willing to fight who cares of the venue and everything else. They just want to get in the ring and fight.

The reason i keep bringing up the Olympics is because i can understand Jones not wanting to go to Germany to get robbed i wouldn't either.

But why do you say to go to Germany to get robbed as if you know that RJJ would have been robbed.
What makes you so sure of that?
I can understand RJJ didn't want to travel, but you keep saying to get robbed as if that was guaranteed to happen.

Thats not Jones fault Dariusz lost his IBF title for not defending against the mandatory challenger the fight could of easily of been made had Dariusz fought in the USA and it would of helped him get the exposure so why not ??

ICB, Dariusz was given like 2 weeks to defend his title after he beat Hill, you might wanna look a little more into that.

and the reason why Dariusz stood in the dark was because all of his fights were in Germany except for one of his fight there was in Poland it his own fault and prime Jones UD Dariusz imo.

I can live with your outcome of the fight. That's what it's about but by anymeans will I let people mix up the facts about who was the established champ or in this case how booze tried to show up Dariusz by posting the titles he won. Theirs more to it then meets the eye and that's what I wanted to clarify.

I'm curious to know where you get that RJJ was P4P #1 in '96?
In '96 RJJ was not #1 P4P.
I think Pernell was still #1 with Lopez & RJJ at #2 & #3.
(I see SweetPea's logged in right now and he and I talked about the P4P #1 passing of the torch maybe he has some input to lend here)

Actually you are right on that my bad i thought Whitaker lost to Oscar De La Hoya in 1996.

[Scrap]

Dariusz in the 90s was earning serious money in Germany, it shocked me when I heard. Germany is the 2nd largest PPV buys in the world, he didnt need to leave Germany for anyone, economics.