RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS

[CutMeMick]

1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker - Pernell would outclass Hatton to a comfortable UD.

2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran - Roberto wins this one by UD in a back and forth battle.

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)

4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME) - Hatton wins this by UD.

5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley - I would take SSM by a UD.

6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez - JCC by way of UD tremendous body work by both but JCC manages to edge out the win.

7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya - ODLH by way of UD, more comfortable then Durans & SSMs wins.

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)

Whatever Pryor had the same amount of energy with or without the bottle thats why he rematched Arguello. And beat the living crap out of him Pryor could go 15 rounds at a amazing pace if he had to and i never see him tire the guy was a living windmill, Pryor would give Hatton a pasting you underrate Pryor, you honestly think a peak Pryor would lose to Hatton ??

If you honestly feel that way then by all means go right ahead. But when I see the fight I see huge punches landing and Pryor absorbing them like nothing happened. I know what Panama was capable of doing and messing with the drink was like a walk in the park for him. He certainly lived by the phrase "By any means necessary".....
But to think that Arguello was the same after the 1st fight is absurd. Alexis was a shadow of what he used to be by the time they fought the rematch. Let's also not forget Alexis was the one moving up in weight to challenge the champion. I don't underrate Pryor at all his career was short and simple. Aside from both Cervantes & Alexis who were past their best days no one else on his resume jumps out. So for me to be able to underrate him their needs to be something there to underrate. But I don't see a thing. Hes career was made of the 2 wins over Alexis and that's about it.
We've discussed this one before and we both know and you agreed that Aarons career is just too short. I've seen him fight and beat his opponents but I mean really aside from the ones mentioned who else of note would you ICB say: "Well he did beat......."
Cause the ONLY other one I would mention would be Kim and only because he quickly championed at one point. But I mean that's being really niece if we're gonna say Kim.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Nice set up piece Dios,something tells me your not terribly interested in Anyones thoughts and opinions only the opportunity to point out Hattons "flaws" like a over corrective micro manager.
No offense but by Endlessly berating and diminishing top notch past & present guys:
Callazo
Castillo
Tszyu
Pendleton
and anyone else brought up you come off like a truly nonobjective fan boy.
Floyd is a superb talent and a truly gifted boxer...He is a champion..So is Hatton!

Spicoli,

Is this some figment of your imagination? I notice that everyone else can engage in this discussion....but you.

Whatever. Cheers, mate.

[ICB]

1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker - Pernell would outclass Hatton to a comfortable UD.

2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran - Roberto wins this one by UD in a back and forth battle.

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)

4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME) - Hatton wins this by UD.

5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley - I would take SSM by a UD.

6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez - JCC by way of UD tremendous body work by both but JCC manages to edge out the win.

7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya - ODLH by way of UD, more comfortable then Durans & SSMs wins.

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)

Whatever Pryor had the same amount of energy with or without the bottle thats why he rematched Arguello. And beat the living crap out of him Pryor could go 15 rounds at a amazing pace if he had to and i never see him tire the guy was a living windmill, Pryor would give Hatton a pasting you underrate Pryor, you honestly think a peak Pryor would lose to Hatton ??

If you honestly feel that way then by all means go right ahead. But when I see the fight I see huge punches landing and Pryor absorbing them like nothing happened. I know what Panama was capable of doing and messing But to think that Arguello was the same after the 1st fight is absurd. Alexis was a shadow of what he used to be by the time they fought the rematch. Let's also not forwith the drink was like a walk in the park for him. He certainly lived by the phrase "By any means necessary".....
get Alexis was the one moving up in weight to challenge the champion. I don't underrate Pryor at all his career was short and simple. Aside from both Cervantes & Alexis who were past their best days no one else on his resume jumps out. So for me to be able to underrate him their needs to be something there to underrate. But I don't see a thing. Hes career was made of the 2 wins over Alexis and that's about it.
We've discussed this one before and we both know and you agreed that Aarons career is just too short. I've seen him fight and beat his opponents but I mean really aside from the ones mentioned who else of note would you ICB say: "Well he did beat......."
Cause the ONLY other one I would mention would be Kim and only because he quickly championed at one point. But I mean that's being really niece if we're gonna say Kim.

If you honestly feel that way then by all means go right ahead. But when I see the fight I see huge punches landing and Pryor absorbing them like nothing happened. I know what Panama was capable of doing and messing with the drink was like a walk in the park for him. He certainly lived by the phrase "By any means necessary".....

Bottle or no bottle Pryor had amazing chin and great stamina anyway in what way can Hatton beat Pryor ?? Hatton would never beat Pryor in a toe to toe battle and if by some chance he did Pryor could box like he did with Arguello in the 1st fight.

But to think that Arguello was the same after the 1st fight is absurd. Alexis was a shadow of what he used to be by the time they fought the rematch. Let's also not forget Alexis was the one moving up in weight to challenge the champion.

Did i say Arguello was the same in the 2nd fight ?? what i meant by the comment is that alot of people considered it controverisial and atleast Pryor gave Arguello a rematch but even Arguello admired Pryor he said he had never been hit with two hands at the sametime. Arguello was moving up yes but he was still very good at that weight he performed excellent in the fight with Pryor and i don't like how people keep saying *Arguello was way past his prime* because in previsious fights he didn't look past it and no one at the time considered Arguello past it thats why Pryor was the underdog.

I don't underrate Pryor at all his career was short and simple. Aside from both Cervantes & Alexis who were past their best days no one else on his resume jumps out. So for me to be able to underrate him their needs to be something there to underrate. But I don't see a thing. Hes career was made of the 2 wins over Alexis and that's about it.

Forgetting the names he beat for a second he was a great fighter yes his career was short but basically when i quoted you i wanted you to tell me in what way can Hatton beat Pryor because i just don't see it.

[Spicoli]

Nice set up piece Dios,something tells me your not terribly interested in Anyones thoughts and opinions only the opportunity to point out Hattons "flaws" like a over corrective micro manager.
No offense but by Endlessly berating and diminishing top notch past & present guys:
Callazo
Castillo
Tszyu
Pendleton
and anyone else brought up you come off like a truly nonobjective fan boy.
Floyd is a superb talent and a truly gifted boxer...He is a champion..So is Hatton!

Spicoli,

Is this some figment of your imagination? I notice that everyone else can engage in this discussion....but you.

Whatever. Cheers, mate.

That's It? You'd do better for youself at proclaiming and Pointing out Floyds obvious Credentials and accomplishments rather than Belittling not only Hatton but 4 other fighters endlessly.
Someone Picks Mosley clearly over Hatton and its not still no good......You lawyer for a KO pick.
And tell me what "Didn't finish that fight like a Champion.and not by choice" means
My meds have yet to kick in and I'm Short-bus like that.
A champion Defeats a quality fighter and Gets tagged in the late rounds...to walk threw adversity and triumph.Sounds like a Top Champion and A good Challenger to me.Wow....Imagine that in this sport Welcome aboard by the way.Hows the weather up there.
Why would I be interested in fantasy Match-ups when the Biggest fight for Hatton Is in front of him.That's something that will be done endlessly After He
wins . to each his own Mate......Later days.

[Mr140]

Well Ice the thing with Aaron is that he never had a prime great to fight and Hatton competition is about as good as his and he did just as good.

[ICB]

Well Ice the thing with Aaron is that he never had a prime great to fight and Hatton competition is about as good as his and he did just as good.

At 140 except for Tszyu, Hatton fought average opposition.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

That's It? You'd do better for youself at proclaiming and Pointing out Floyds obvious Credentials and accomplishments rather than Belittling not only Hatton but 4 other fighters endlessly.
Someone Picks Mosley clearly over Hatton and its not still no good......You lawyer for a KO pick.
And tell me what "Didn't finish that fight like a Champion.and not by choice" means
My meds have yet to kick in and I'm Short-bus like that.
A champion Defeats a quality fighter and Gets tagged in the late rounds...to walk threw adversity and triumph.Sounds like a Top Champion and A good Challenger to me.Wow....Imagine that in this sport Welcome aboard by the way.Hows the weather up there.
Why would I be interested in fantasy Match-ups when the Biggest fight for Hatton Is in front of him.That's something that will be done endlessly After He
wins . to each his own Mate......Later days.

If you are not interested in fantasy matchups for Hatton, why would you repeatedly post in a Hatton Fantasy Matchups thread? Odd.

Also, you have stated a couple of times now that I have "endlessly belittled four other fighters". Where exactly did I do that?

Here is what "didn't finish like a champion and not by choice" means:
Hatton was almost KTFO'd in the twelth round of the Collazo fight. They call the final rounds the championship rounds. It is commonly said that you should "finish like a champion". Some guys elect to dance away the last round if they feel they have the fight in the bag. That is finishing weakly, but by choice.

Hatton finished weakly, but not by choice. Fact.

[Mr140]

I know ice they are in the same boat with the competition they faced almost so i do not think it out of the question that Hatton might win.

[CutMeMick]

Bottle or no bottle Pryor had amazing chin and great stamina anyway in what way can Hatton beat Pryor ?? Hatton would never beat Pryor in a toe to toe battle and if by some chance he did Pryor could box like he did with Arguello in the 1st fight.

Amzing chin?
Akio dropped him in the 1st round flat on his back Aaron had to roll over (Also no need to post the video as I've seen it plenty of times), Dujuan had him allover the place early on.
There is no doubt in my mind that drink had something Alexis punches were thumping and brutal. Aaron just smiled.
When Aaron would try to box Alexis would counter him with power shots.

Did i say Arguello was the same in the 2nd fight ?? what i meant by the comment is that alot of people considered it controverisial and atleast Pryor gave Arguello a rematch but even Arguello admired Pryor he said he had never been hit with two hands at the sametime.

At least Pryor gave him the rematch??
Well it's the least he could do right? I mean think ICB, no urine samples were collected Aaron was never tested. Hhhmm!!

Arguello was moving up yes but he was still very good at that weight he performed excellent in the fight with Pryor.

He had only 1 fight prior to the Aaron fight. It was against 19-1 Rooney. That's 1 fight at 140 against a guy who was Welter that had moved down in weight to fight Alexis for a shot at the spot light. Alexis performed the best he could and I think he would have beaten Aaron if not for the bottle the shots Alexis threw in the late rounds would have dropped anyone who was not under the inlfuence of "something".

i don't like how people keep saying *Arguello was way past his prime* because in previsious fights he didn't look past it and no one at the time considered Arguello past it thats why Pryor was the underdog.

Ofcourse no one considered Alexis past his prime cause he was fighting at Lightweight would he have stood at Lightweight he would have been OK.
That's like me telling you Young beat Aaron I mean we all know Aaron was past it and we all know Aaron had been having drug problems very close to around the time he faced Alexis some say before I've read where people say after those fights.
But you know putting on some weight and moving up can have big effects on a fighter. Taking hits like the ones Alexis took from a fighter who was on a substance takes a lot out of you hitting him with your best shots takes a lot out of you.

Forgetting the names he beat for a second he was a great fighter yes his career was short but basically when i quoted you i wanted you to tell me in what way can Hatton beat Pryor because i just don't see it.

As a fighter like I said his skills unfortunately were not tested against elite fighters whether they ducked him or their weren't any great fighters for him to take on is just part of the sport. Well Hattons a very good inside fighter Aaron needed distance to throw his best punches I could see Hatton smutherring Aaron. Aaron was a whirlwind but Hattons just as rugged and tuff as Aaron was inside. When have you seen Hatton backing up? When did you see Aaron backing up? I just think Hatton takes this one.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I was just thinking about Ricky Hatton's place in history, and how he would have fared against some recent "better/best" 140 lbers (or near 140ers).

How do you think the following fights would go? Who wins....and how?

(Assume all fights at 140 pounds)

1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker

2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor

4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME)

5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley

6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez

7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya

1) Whitaker UD
2) Duran UD
3) Pryor Late Stoppage
4) Tszyu KO 6
5) Mosley UD
6) Chavez SD
7) DLH UD

mmm.. I have the Fatboy losing all of these and yet i like him, Hatton would do well against all opponents here. The only reason i have Tszyu knocking him out is he wouldn't have bullied a younger, prime Tszyu and pow KT would have popped him at some point so round 6 is it.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

At 140 except for Tszyu, Hatton fought average opposition.

He has received that criticism alot.

Hatton has been at 140 for approximately ten years. During the past decade, the guys available at 135-140 were:

Judah, Corrales, Casamayor, Castillo, Malignaggi, Cotto, Judah, Lazcano, Witter, Tszyu, Harris, Gatti, Forbes, Campbell, Mayweather, NDou, etc, etc.

That represents the lion's share of the elite. I included some LW's since Ricky fought other LW's. Didn't include WW's because it isn't fair to force a guy to move up.

The criticism that Ricky received is because he did not face any of those guys in their prime. There was good comp available during those ten years.

When he fought a 40 year old Vince Phillips, and a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton (25 losses at the time), many people hung that "overprotected" banner on him.

[ICB]

Bottle or no bottle Pryor had amazing chin and great stamina anyway in what way can Hatton beat Pryor ?? Hatton would never beat Pryor in a toe to toe battle and if by some chance he did Pryor could box like he did with Arguello in the 1st fight.

Amzing chin?
Akio dropped him in the 1st round flat on his back Aaron had to roll over (Also no need to post the video as I've seen it plenty of times), Dujuan had him allover the place early on.
There is no doubt in my mind that drink had something Alexis punches were thumping and brutal. Aaron just smiled.
When Aaron would try to box Alexis would counter him with power shots.

Did i say Arguello was the same in the 2nd fight ?? what i meant by the comment is that alot of people considered it controverisial and atleast Pryor gave Arguello a rematch but even Arguello admired Pryor he said he had never been hit with two hands at the sametime.

At least Pryor gave him the rematch??
Well it's the least he could do right? I mean think ICB, no urine samples were collected Aaron was never tested. Hhhmm!!

Arguello was moving up yes but he was still very good at that weight he performed excellent in the fight with Pryor.

He had only 1 fight prior to the Aaron fight. It was against 19-1 Rooney. That's 1 fight at 140 against a guy who was Welter that had moved down in weight to fight Alexis for a shot at the spot light. Alexis performed the best he could and I think he would have beaten Aaron if not for the bottle the shots Alexis threw in the late rounds would have dropped anyone who was not under the inlfuence of "something".

i don't like how people keep saying *Arguello was way past his prime* because in previsious fights he didn't look past it and no one at the time considered Arguello past it thats why Pryor was the underdog.

Ofcourse no one considered Alexis past his prime cause he was fighting at Lightweight would he have stood at Lightweight he would have been OK.
That's like me telling you Young beat Aaron I mean we all know Aaron was past it and we all know Aaron had been having drug problems very close to around the time he faced Alexis some say before I've read where people say after those fights.
But you know putting on some weight and moving up can have big effects on a fighter. Taking hits like the ones Alexis took from a fighter who was on a substance takes a lot out of you hitting him with your best shots takes a lot out of you.

Forgetting the names he beat for a second he was a great fighter yes his career was short but basically when i quoted you i wanted you to tell me in what way can Hatton beat Pryor because i just don't see it.

As a fighter like I said his skills unfortunately were not tested against elite fighters whether they ducked him or their weren't any great fighters for him to take on is just part of the sport. Well Hattons a very good inside fighter Aaron needed distance to throw his best punches I could see Hatton smutherring Aaron. Aaron was a whirlwind but Hattons just as rugged and tuff as Aaron was inside. When have you seen Hatton backing up? When did you see Aaron backing up? I just think Hatton takes this one.

Amzing chin?
Akio dropped him in the 1st round flat on his back Aaron had to roll over (Also no need to post the video as I've seen it plenty of times), Dujuan had him allover the place early on.
There is no doubt in my mind that drink had something Alexis punches were thumping and brutal. Aaron just smiled.
When Aaron would try to box Alexis would counter him with power shots.

Pryor was off balance against Akio he rolled back and got straight back up he was not hurt by that punch at all he was just off balance.

Dujuan floored Pryor with a good punch but he was up straight away and Pryor was not all over place against Dujuan he took some good punches but he stood his ground and then whooped Dujuan after about the 4th round.

How does a drink effect your chin ?? if he did have something it would of only effected his energy nothing else. Bottle or no bottle he had amazing chin them shots from Arguello would of KO most opponents and his other knockdowns were from being off balance when he was rushing in doesn't mean he hasn't got a great chin.

When Pryor boxed Arguello, he was hitting Pryor on the end of the punches so that takes away your power.

At least Pryor gave him the rematch??
Well it's the least he could do right? I mean think ICB, no urine samples were collected Aaron was never tested. Hhhmm!!

I don't know the full story of why the urine samples wern't collected so i will not comment on it.

He had only 1 fight prior to the Aaron fight. It was against 19-1 Rooney. That's 1 fight at 140 against a guy who was Welter that had moved down in weight to fight Alexis for a shot at the spot light. Alexis performed the best he could and I think he would have beaten Aaron if not for the bottle the shots Alexis threw in the late rounds would have dropped anyone who was not under the inlfuence of "something".

Yes i know Mick but he dismantled Rooney in fine fashion and in previsious fights even before Rooney fight he looked great. Who knows ?? it is very controversial but we will never know im not going to keep debating with you on it because no one really knows what was in the bottle so i'll leave it at that.

Ofcourse no one considered Alexis past his prime cause he was fighting at Lightweight would he have stood at Lightweight he would have been OK.
That's like me telling you Young beat Aaron I mean we all know Aaron was past it and we all know Aaron had been having drug problems very close to around the time he faced Alexis some say before I've read where people say after those fights.
But you know putting on some weight and moving up can have big effects on a fighter. Taking hits like the ones Alexis took from a fighter who was on a substance takes a lot out of you hitting him with your best shots takes a lot out of you.

How can you compare Arguello who was still very good fighter to the Pryor that lost to Young ?? he had drug problems and he was coming off a long lay off he was counting with the timekeeper when he was knocked down in first round then when he was knocked down again in the 7th i can't remember exactly what he done but he done a cross symbol or something ?? but the ref stopped the fight not because Pryor was badly hurt but because he see the way Pryor was acting and it was a right call by the ref you could see Pryor had bad mental problems.

As a fighter like I said his skills unfortunately were not tested against elite fighters whether they ducked him or their weren't any great fighters for him to take on is just part of the sport. Well Hattons a very good inside fighter Aaron needed distance to throw his best punches I could see Hatton smutherring Aaron. Aaron was a whirlwind but Hattons just as rugged and tuff as Aaron was inside. When have you seen Hatton backing up? When did you see Aaron backing up? I just think Hatton takes this one.

Pryor would also swarm Hatton plus he had much faster hands and better boxing skills when he used them like i said if somehow Hatton beat Pryor on inside Pryor would box i really don't see how Hatton could beat Pryor in a toe to toe war i really don't.

Pryor was tested against Cervantes and Arguello both elite even if you think they were past it. Well we could say the same for Hatton couldn't we ?? Castillo, Tszyu, were both past it so if you don't think Pryor's skills were ever tested against elite fighter because they were past it then i will comeback and say neither has Hatton because Castillo and Tszyu were both past it.

[CutMeMick]

Pryor was off balance against Akio he rolled back and got straight back up he was not hurt by that punch at all he was just off balance.
Dujuan floored Pryor with a good punch but he was up straight away and Pryor was not all over place against Dujuan he took some good punches but he stood his ground and then whooped Dujuan after about the 4th round.

ofcourse they were off balance. Come on ICB, Pryor went on to win but the least you can do is admit he went down. Without saying he was caught off balance.

How does a drink effect your chin ?? if he did have something it would of only changed his energy nothing else.

A "mixed" drink can effect your entire body not just your chin. A mixed drink with let's say something like PCP would be like giving Aaron body armour from ancient times. Thats how a drink can effect your chin.

I don't know the full story of why the urine samples wern't collected so i will not comment on it.

Well they never collected urine samples.
Which I mean how in the hell do they forget to collect urine samples?
No one was ever blamed or anything, all Alexis got was a "It was our mistake, sorry"

Yes i know Mick but he dismantled Rooney in fine fashion and in previsious fights even before Rooney fight he looked great. Who knows ?? it is very controversial but we will never know im not going to keep debating with you on it because no one really knows what was in the bottle so i'll leave it at that.

I didn't take much to dismantle Rooney I mean he had to drop in weight as I said Rooney had been fighting upwords of 147 and he was KO'd in all of his looses. I understand Alexis looked well prior to the Rooney fight again that was at Lighweight not Light Welterweight.

How can you compare Arguello who was still very good fighter to the Pryor that lost to Young ?? he had drug problems and he was coming off a long lay off he was counting with the ref when he was knocked down in first round then when he was knocked down again in the 7th i can't remember exactly what he done but he done a cross symbol or something ?? but the ref stopped the fight not because Pryor was hurt but because he see the way Pryor was acting and it was a right call by the ref.

I compared them cause it was obvious neither fighter was the same they once were. Whether one was a drug addict or the other was fighting at age 30 with 82 fights moving up to yet another weight class far from 118 lbs. which is reportedly the weight he started fighting at. Point is whatever reasons maybe they were both past it one way or another.

Pryor would also swarm Hatton plus he had much faster hands and better boxing skills when he used them like i said if somehow Hatton beat Pryor on inside Pryor would box i really don't see how Hatton could beat Pryor in a toe to toe war i really don't.

I didn't say Hatton would go toe to toe, I said Hatton would smuther Aaron and would try not to let Aaron get his distance to fight. One things for sure it would be a very interesting fight.

Pryor was tested against Cervantes and Arguello both elite even if you think they were past it well we could say the same for Hatton couldn't we ?? Castillo, Tszyu, were both past it so if you don't think Pryor's skills were ever tested against elite fighter because they were past it then i will comeback and say neither has Hatton because Castillo and Tszyu were both past it.

Right, I was never debating their oppositions. Funny you mention this cause I am one of the VERY FEW people on here who believes Tszyu wasn't past his best. I actually thought you also felt Tszyu wasn't past it? I know theirs a few people who think Tszyu wasn't past his best.
JLC that's a whole another story.
Truth is Hatton & Aaron are pretty much hand in hand right now as far as opposition. So a Hatton win would not be out of the question or a far stretched truth.

[ICB]

You make some good points Mick im very tired at the moment im going to take a nap but i'll answer you later take care and cc for good debate.

[CutMeMick]

You make some good points Mick im very tired at the moment im going to take a nap but i'll answer you later take care and cc for good debate.

Heres CC#1483 ICB always a good time sharing some posts with 'ya.