Good read on Mayweather!

[Dizaster]

I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali

Skill wise he is better than Ali.

Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.

Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.

The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,

Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.

No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.

You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.

I think a lot of Ali's greatness comes from the times he fought and the politics going on and his commitment to bettering the world with his fame... If you read into his whole story and what things meant at certain times, and that he was still able to prevail and be a great boxer,,, I think that has added a lot of people's perceptions of his performances.... Whether that's a good or bad thing... You are not competely wrong in your opinions as there were things outside the ring that added to Ali's greatness..

That being said though, I also think if Floyd was any sort of human being worthy of having the word 'great' put in the same sentence as his name,,, then it may be a different story...... But he chooses to keep this bad attitude 'fuk you all coz I have money'... No one is a fan of that sort of sh!t!!! Ali was the people's champ.... Floyd is his own champ..... The sad thing is, FLoyd had the skills and talent to win the entire world over!!!!!! instead he wanted to spend his entire career braggin and acting like a spoilt brat...... and people remember that sort of sh!t when they think of greatness....

[ono]

It's basically more smack talking from Mayweather.

Suppose its his way of getting more attention.....

He's becoming more exicitng out of the ring than he is inside the ring.









Just waiting for ICE to bite now.....

[zhubin]

I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali

Skill wise he is better than Ali.

Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.

Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.

The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,

Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.

No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.

You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.

I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.

[ICB]

I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali

Skill wise he is better than Ali.

Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.

Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.

The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,

Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.

No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.

You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.

I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.

I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.

DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.

Loss to Young.

2 losses to Norton

1 loss to Shavers.

He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.

[zhubin]

I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali

Skill wise he is better than Ali.

Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.

Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.

The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,

Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.

No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.

You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.

I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.

I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.

DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.

Loss to Young.

2 losses to Norton

1 loss to Shavers.

He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.

You know what i think is true?! That is your opinion...but it's just that...YOUR opinion. You are just going to have very few people sharing your opinion. You keep mentioning Young, Norton, Shavers, etc. Ali beat Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson...to name a few. He has fought some of the all time greatest fighters in the history of the sport. He has provided some of the most memorable moments in boxing history. He is a LEGEND. History will remember him. Floyd is not in that class...not now...not ever. Floyd will be extremely lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as Leonard, Duran, Hagler...the list can go on...let alone Robinson or Ali. Maybe you are not a big Ali fan or you are just a huge Floyd fan...but history speaks for itself.

[ICB]

I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali

Skill wise he is better than Ali.

Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.

Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.

The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,

Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.

No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.

You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.

I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.

I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.

DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.

Loss to Young.

2 losses to Norton

1 loss to Shavers.

He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.

You know what i think is true?! That is your opinion...but it's just that...YOUR opinion. You are just going to have very few people sharing your opinion. You keep mentioning Young, Norton, Shavers, etc. Ali beat Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson...to name a few. He has fought some of the all time greatest fighters in the history of the sport. He has provided some of the most memorable moments in boxing history. He is a LEGEND. History will remember him. Floyd is not in that class...not now...not ever. Floyd will be extremely lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as Leonard, Duran, Hagler...the list can go on...let alone Robinson or Ali. Maybe you are not a big Ali fan or you are just a huge Floyd fan...but history speaks for itself.

You called my comment ridiculous so im just pointing where i think Ali should have atleast 10 losses on his record all i was saying if Ali would of lost these fights he would not be in 10 of all time with 10 losses on his record.

If Mayweather beats Cotto, Williams, Mosley, then he is well up there in All Time P4P list.

[C-Lo]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

[ICB]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2

And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather

[C-Lo]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2

And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather

Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

[superheavyrhun]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2

And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather

Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

As well as those other dudes you mention all actually having been beat in some of their fights, the basic facts will state that Mayweather's opponents have had more wins and greater win ratios than anyone else's opponents in the p4p list.

Here's a link to some of that stats analysis I did during the summer:

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,50065.0.html

[ICB]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2

And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather

Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

You say Oscar was old and his career wasn't noteworthy at that time well can't we say the same about Barrera and Morales who were both old and past there prime ?? Mayweather's resume is far better than Pacquiao's even biggest Mayweather haters know this.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Winky has few good wins on his record but how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me Wright's resume is better than Mayweather's ?? he wasn't cheated out against Taylor and Vargas, Vargas won there fight and Taylor vs Wright was close but even if you think Wright won these it doesn't matter it still counts as a loss on the record and a draw.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

So beating an old shot Vargas and beating Oscar De La Hoya, makes Mosley's resume better than Mayweather's get real.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

It doesn't matter how well they performed in there losses there resumes still aren't as good as Mayweather's hell by your logic Quarry has a better resume than Mayweather because he lost to Ali, Fraizer, Norton,

[C-Lo]

WoW!!! Superheavy, that was probably one of the most interesting things I've ever read. If i could CC you, I would. But I got a couple most posts before I could do that.

Numerically, everything you said was well justified. You should really put that in a boxing column somewhere. I'm sure someone will take it in.

[C-Lo]

Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.

Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.

Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.

You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.

If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.

First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2

And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather

Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

You say Oscar was old and his career wasn't noteworthy at that time well can't we say the same about Barrera and Morales who were both old and past there prime ?? Mayweather's resume is far better than Pacquiao's even biggest Mayweather haters know this.

Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.

Winky has few good wins on his record but how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me Wright's resume is better than Mayweather's ?? he wasn't cheated out against Taylor and Vargas, Vargas won there fight and Taylor vs Wright was close but even if you think Wright won these it doesn't matter it still counts as a loss on the record and a draw.

Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.

So beating an old shot Vargas and beating Oscar De La Hoya, makes Mosley's resume better than Mayweather's get real.

Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.

It doesn't matter how well they performed in there losses there resumes still aren't as good as Mayweather's hell by your logic Quarry has a better resume than Mayweather because he lost to Ali, Fraizer, Norton,

You have very good points. But that's the thing about boxing, it's very opinionated. No one person can be completely proven right or wrong.

I have to somewhat disagree with the Barrera and Morales statement though. No doubt in my mind that the second fight with Barrera and the third fight with Morales they were both not the same. But the first time Barrera fought Pacquiao, Barrera was still at the top of his game and was just outperformed. The first fight with Morales, Morales was 28 I believe and in no way shot. The second fight people blamed Morales for having hard time making weight but I think people don't give Pacquiao enough credit. Round 6 of Pacquiao vs Morales II was the round that turned the fight in favor or Pacquiao. I have never seen Morales take a beating worse than that. Any fighter who was hit with those shots would eventually fall.

[superheavyrhun]

WoW!!! Superheavy, that was probably one of the most interesting things I've ever read. If i could CC you, I would. But I got a couple most posts before I could do that.

Numerically, everything you said was well justified. You should really put that in a boxing column somewhere. I'm sure someone will take it in.

Cheers bro....I was in a boring job in the summer and had lots of time doing very little some afternoons, so I thought I'd put it to good use. And cc back .