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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

    Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

    Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

    For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace.


    Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

    I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

    It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

    I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

    To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

    The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

    Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

    To want them to pound the shit out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
    Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

    Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

    I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
    Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

    It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
    As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
    Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    Quote Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

    Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

    Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

    For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace.


    Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

    I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

    It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

    I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

    To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

    The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

    Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

    To want them to pound the S*** out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

    Bilbo if you actually belioeve the words you just wrote

    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

    The you are just as big of an asshole as Hopkins if not more.....I grew up in QueensBridge Projects and Alphabet City two of possibly the worst neighboorhoods in the United States during the 1980's...and there are plenty of people who grew up there and in other places even worse who do not think that way either.....

    To use where you grew up as an excuse for sauch a thing is a cop out and excuse for your behavior...and anyone who condones such a thing is just as big of peice of trash if not bigger.....

    Same goes for those who grew up more privledged and thinking those less off or who lived in lesser neighborhoods are beneath them....

    Sorry Mate but you just either showed your true colors or tried being a smart ass at the wrong time
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny
    Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
    Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

    Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

    I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
    Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

    It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
    As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
    Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?
    It's not the same though Donny. White's as a race DID openly feel superior to blacks, we enslaved them, we thought them subhuman, like beasts of burden and cattle. That's what racism is.

    Blacks feeling digruntled against whites for hundreds of years of past treatment isn't racism it's just natural behaviour.

    Hopkins is from the streets and still speaks like he's from the streets. But at the end of the day he's a boxer not a politician.

    As far as I'm concerned he can say what the hell he likes. If Calzaghe were to say the same thing in reverse it would take on a whole different meaning considering the weight of history.

    White's have never been racially subjecated by blacks its the other way around.

    If a convicted child sex offender repeatedely hugs other people's children it's viewed with suspician, wheras if a little kid hugs another child or an adult it's something completely different.

    Anyway all I can say is that Hopkins comment worked. We are all talking about it, which at the end of the day is all he wanted.

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Next he'll be naming a bear Calzaghe and being sent to jail with 20 lashings

    I'm just going to take it as hype and look forward to joe whooping his superiour coloured ass when the fight finally happens...


    Floyd definetly has a mouth bigger than texas, but even he has the class not to bring black and white into all the hype that went into their December 8 fight... I think it's a completely unnessary comment, but I don't want to make it to much more that what it is.. He could have said I'll never be beaten by someone from the UK, or named Joe, or whatever,,,, he said someone white... everyone needs to be a little less touchy....

    I'm white and as paper and i'm not taking offence to it... Racism is really highly overrated in this day and age...
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    Quote Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

    Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

    Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

    For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace.


    Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

    I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

    It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

    I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

    To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

    The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

    Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

    To want them to pound the S*** out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

    Bilbo if you actually belioeve the words you just wrote

    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

    The you are just as big of an asshole as Hopkins if not more.....I grew up in QueensBridge Projects and Alphabet City two of possibly the worst neighboorhoods in the United States during the 1980's...and there are plenty of people who grew up there and in other places even worse who do not think that way either.....

    To use where you grew up as an excuse for sauch a thing is a cop out and excuse for your behavior...and anyone who condones such a thing is just as big of peice of trash if not bigger.....

    Same goes for those who grew up more privledged and thinking those less off or who lived in lesser neighborhoods are beneath them....

    Sorry Mate but you just either showed your true colors or tried being a smart a** at the wrong time
    True colours? So I'm racist now? Against who? It can't be blacks seeing as I'm defending a black, so whites?

    But am I white?

    I'm confused

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    When hopkins makes the call that he will never step in the ring with a man who is white,,,, then i'll start to point out that we have a racism problem.
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    The point bilbo is trying to make is a very tough one to make. Especially for such a subjective topic. Depending on how you look at it, how you judge it, where your coming from, your understanding or personal feeling of the level racism effects people,,,, it can be taken many different ways..

    And on a purely technical level, you can say that what hopkins said is definition racism,,, simply by implying a different level of something between someone white and someone black....

    But that's as far as technicality goes and the rest is in how anyone feels about the subject and what they bring to the table in viewing his words....

    So I can absolutely understand everyone's points,,, and don't beleive anyone is wrong in what they are saying...


    A comment to two very very similar people could simply wash of one persons back, and cut the other one very deep emotionally..... I suppose that's why it's a silly comment to make because obviously a lot of people have deep feeling towards the mention of a difference between black and white people.

    I personally take it with a grain of salt and see a different picture to what other people do... But respect other people have different interpretations of what his comment means.
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny
    Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
    Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

    Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

    I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
    Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

    It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
    As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
    But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
    Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?
    Really
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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizaster
    The point bilbo is trying to make is a very tough one to make. Especially for such a subjective topic. Depending on how you look at it, how you judge it, where your coming from, your understanding or personal feeling of the level racism effects people,,,, it can be taken many different ways..

    And on a purely technical level, you can say that what hopkins said is definition racism,,, simply by implying a different level of something between someone white and someone black....

    But that's as far as technicality goes and the rest is in how anyone feels about the subject and what they bring to the table in viewing his words....

    So I can absolutely understand everyone's points,,, and don't beleive anyone is wrong in what they are saying...


    A comment to two very very similar people could simply wash of one persons back, and cut the other one very deep emotionally..... I suppose that's why it's a silly comment to make because obviously a lot of people have deep feeling towards the mention of a difference between black and white people.

    I personally take it with a grain of salt and see a different picture to what other people do... But respect other people have different interpretations of what his comment means.
    a very well reasoned response.

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

    Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

    Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

    For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a cunt is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace.
    WRONG it just involves people making a judgement about someones' skin color or ethnicity.


    If I am called a racist by your standards then I personally would have had to subject someone to slavery so I can drop the N-bomb any time I choose.

    Unless you say my ANCESTORS couldn't have subjected certain types of people to slavery etc etc. And even then by your standards if my ancestors never had asian or european slaves I could say spic, jap, slope, wop, zipperhead, kike, etc etc to my heart's content


    So your reasoning is either wrong or I can say whatever the fuck I want to to whoever I want to....because what my ancestors did or did NOT do was ALLEGED BUT NEVER SUBSTANTIATED

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
    It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

    Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

    Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

    For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace.
    WRONG it just involves people making a judgement about someones' skin color or ethnicity.


    If I am called a racist by your standards then I personally would have had to subject someone to slavery so I can drop the N-bomb any time I choose.

    Unless you say my ANCESTORS couldn't have subjected certain types of people to slavery etc etc. And even then by your standards if my ancestors never had asian or european slaves I could say spic, jap, slope, wop, zipperhead, kike, etc etc to my heart's content


    So your reasoning is either wrong or I can say whatever the F*** I want to to whoever I want to....because what my ancestors did or did NOT do was ALLEGED BUT NEVER SUBSTANTIATED
    So by your logic criticising your governemtn is tantamount to mutiny or an attempted coup, or saying you hate your boss is proof of intent to cause physical or criminal damage.

    What did he do that was racist?

    If you can't tell the difference between a trash talk comment designed to rile someone up to fight you and to get the fans interested and a genuine incitement to racial hatred then you're not the well educated worldly redneck I thought you were

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    hopkins did not say anything racist

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

    Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

    Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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    Default Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

    Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

    Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.
    Hopkins would sooner get himself DQ'd than quit on his stool.

    If he feels he's losing and can't handle the pace just look for headbutts and maulings from BHop as he tries to get himself thrown out.

    I don't think Calzaghe would stop him though. He hasn't scored a legitimate knockout since my eldest nephew was born and he's 5!

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