Tired of people slagging Hatton in hindsight

[El Gamo]

this makes sense...hatton is shit now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

[Kev]

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

[Kev]

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

[ICB]

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

I don't really see how Hatton can be rated top 8 Welterweight, he had one victory over a virtually unknown Collazo and struggled badly in the process, and he had only one other fight at Welterweight and lost, his record is 1-1 at Welterweight.

[bzkfn]

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Well yeah, because you said and I quote "A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter" Hagler proved you don't. It's a real variable. I would say if any of the welters cleaned up that division right now they'd never need to move up. You did make the point to diss Hatton.

[El Gamo]

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

I don't disagree with you over how good he is.Hatton is a grade at 140,no way higher than b at 147.And I said "at best" top 8,an argument can be made that he is not even top 10 at WW.

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

I don't really see how Hatton can be rated top 8 Welterweight, he had one victory over a virtually unknown Collazo and struggled badly in the process, and he had only one other fight at Welterweight and lost, his record is 1-1 at Welterweight.

Yup,I agree,I was trying to give Hatton the benefit of the doubt.

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Still doesn't change the fact you said a fighter needs to succeed in more than 1 weight class. If a weight clas is packed with star fighters,like WW now for example,and someone were to clean it out,that's good enough imo.B Hop is another example,and there are lots more. Jumping weights and winning titles is admirable but only when you fight good fighters in the weight class. Anyone can win an BAC title v the weakest champ in the division and proclaim greatness.

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Well yeah, because you said and I quote "A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter" Hagler proved you don't. It's a real variable. I would say if any of the welters cleaned up that division right now they'd never need to move up. You did make the point to diss Hatton.

Agreed.Great minds..

[Kev]

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Well yeah, because you said and I quote "A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter" Hagler proved you don't. It's a real variable. I would say if any of the welters cleaned up that division right now they'd never need to move up. You did make the point to diss Hatton.

How can you disagree though? Hagler fought in a great middleweight era. All the action was at middleweight. There was no super middleweight division to speak of. Hagler fought the best of his era in the best division.

Hatton has NOT been competitive in the division where all the action is. He fights in the JUNIOR welterweight division which compared to the welterweights is a virtual wasteland devoid of talent and competition.

It's a completely different scenario. Look at Calzaghe as a case in point. He's reigned undefeated as the 168 lb king for 10 years. Yet because of the lack of competition it has taken him until his fight with Kessler to finally get the worldwide recognition and respect he deserves.

Furthermore for Calzaghe to be considered on a par with Hagler he will have to fight and beat either Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor etc in fights that will most likely necessitate a move up in weight class.

Halger fought in a different era where not only was his weight class the most competitive to be in but also where the junior weight divisions carried less emphasis.

Therefore it was right and proper that his career was at middlewight where all the great fighters were.

In Hatton's case all the great fighters are at 147 and as we have seen twice now Hatton simply can't mix in the company of the elite at welterweight.

He's NOT an elite fighter.

[Kev]

Gamo wrote

Still doesn't change the fact you said a fighter needs to succeed in more than 1 weight class. If a weight clas is packed with star fighters,like WW now for example,and someone were to clean it out,that's good enough imo.B Hop is another example,and there are lots more. Jumping weights and winning titles is admirable but only when you fight good fighters in the weight class. Anyone can win an BAC title v the weakest champ in the division and proclaim greatness.

Yes I agree with you ok it's not the rising through the weight classes that is important here but rather being the champ in the BEST weight class.

Either way you look at it Hatton failed.

And BHop isn't a great example as Hopkins IS a two weight world champ and his reputation improved MASSIVELY with his win over Antonio Tarver.

[Memphis]

Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

I dunno mate, he seemed happy enough beating up smaller guys, until one got the better of him of course. Then he did what any great champion did, he moved to Italy and made some films