why is taylor fighting pavlik for no titles?

[Althugz]

I'm amazed that there's no title on the line. I thought that would have been the only reason that Taylor would want any more of Pavlik! If he's fighting purely for pride and to avenge his loss my respect for Taylor has gone up 10 fold.

[CutMeMick]

I'm amazed that there's no title on the line. I thought that would have been the only reason that Taylor would want any more of Pavlik! If he's fighting purely for pride and to avenge his loss my respect for Taylor has gone up 10 fold.

JT also feels that the weight will work to his advantage and if he can even things out against Pavs then people will consider not riding his ass off.
(Too late for that)

[Spicoli]

I'm amazed that there's no title on the line. I thought that would have been the only reason that Taylor would want any more of Pavlik! If he's fighting purely for pride and to avenge his loss my respect for Taylor has gone up 10 fold.

Agreed.True for both here. Hide the kids! KO Inbound.

[El Kabong]

.....one loss Mick and you act like it's time for Jermain to retire.....I usually get along with you and agree with you and I am sorry I am going to have to do this but that is fucking weak dude.

Taylor has not dodged or ducked anyone and he loses ONCE, TO THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE DIVISION and here comes the hate parade and I know it's not just you, but it makes me fucking sick because it happens all the time....same deal with Hatton.

Jermain Taylor fought the best guy out there, go beat and there is no shame in how he got beat! He didn't run, he didn't hide, he didn't make any excuses!

Where is people's respect for a FIGHTER? Maybe he got the benefit of the doubt from the judges vs Winky or Hopkins or whoever....but he didn't complain, he didn't make excuses, and he didn't really take a break in competition.....sure people talk about Spinks but hey he's a decent fighter and he has a very awkward style....Ouma is just all heart and everyone knew that and yeah he should have put on better showings vs those guys.

People might not like Jermain's personality and that's fine but I fucking dare anyone to not respect him as a fighter...he stepped up and has fought the best....what more do you want out of a fighter? People might give me some smart ass replies but they can just fuck off because I don't buy any of this "I hate Jermain" bullshit......I am probably the biggest hater of Floyd Mayweather Jr in the world but I respect his skill and I respect him when he truly fights like he did vs Hatton.

[Deanrw]

Actually my respect for Jermain went up dramatically during the Pavlik fight. He showed a true warrior spirit. Props to him.

I also give him a good chance in the rematch. I know he can reach Pavlik and Kelly does take a lot of return punishment in each and every fight. Both of them get hit a lot and for that reason, both are fighting on borrowed time.

If it ends early, it's Jermain's fight. If it ends after 5th round, it is Kelly's simply because Jermain will panic once he starts to get tired again. It will not go the distance.

I predict it's Kelly's fight again as he is still riding high from the first one. I wish Taylor would have fought a tuneup fight before this as he could work out possible confidence and stamina issues as well as try out new things. If he did that, I would make it an even odds fight.

I cannot see how anyone could hate Jermain. He has always come across as a nice fellow actually and showed respect to everyone he has fought. He is a gracious winner and loser, a true gentleman.

I am kinda hoping the last fight kicked him in the ass enough to really, and I mean really motivate him. We just may see a totally different fight than the last one. If he gets hungry again, I am not sure if Pavlik can hold him back.

[Althugz]

.....one loss Mick and you act like it's time for Jermain to retire.....I usually get along with you and agree with you and I am sorry I am going to have to do this but that is fucking weak dude.

Taylor has not dodged or ducked anyone and he loses ONCE, TO THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE DIVISION and here comes the hate parade and I know it's not just you, but it makes me fucking sick because it happens all the time....same deal with Hatton.

Jermain Taylor fought the best guy out there, go beat and there is no shame in how he got beat! He didn't run, he didn't hide, he didn't make any excuses!

Where is people's respect for a FIGHTER? Maybe he got the benefit of the doubt from the judges vs Winky or Hopkins or whoever....but he didn't complain, he didn't make excuses, and he didn't really take a break in competition.....sure people talk about Spinks but hey he's a decent fighter and he has a very awkward style....Ouma is just all heart and everyone knew that and yeah he should have put on better showings vs those guys.

People might not like Jermain's personality and that's fine but I fucking dare anyone to not respect him as a fighter...he stepped up and has fought the best....what more do you want out of a fighter? People might give me some smart ass replies but they can just fuck off because I don't buy any of this "I hate Jermain" bullshit......I am probably the biggest hater of Floyd Mayweather Jr in the world but I respect his skill and I respect him when he truly fights like he did vs Hatton.

I just cool clicked you..I can't remember a time i've agreed with you Lyle but that is some strong stuff that I couldn't have worded better myself. About time somebody showed some appreciation for JT. He prised the undisputed title off of a middleweight legend and has defended it against everyone who's everyone. How the fuck can people hate him? He is good for boxing

[toogood4u]

.....one loss Mick and you act like it's time for Jermain to retire.....I usually get along with you and agree with you and I am sorry I am going to have to do this but that is F****** weak dude.

Taylor has not dodged or ducked anyone and he loses ONCE, TO THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE DIVISION and here comes the hate parade and I know it's not just you, but it makes me F****** sick because it happens all the time....same deal with Hatton.

Jermain Taylor fought the best guy out there, go beat and there is no shame in how he got beat! He didn't run, he didn't hide, he didn't make any excuses!

Where is people's respect for a FIGHTER? Maybe he got the benefit of the doubt from the judges vs Winky or Hopkins or whoever....but he didn't complain, he didn't make excuses, and he didn't really take a break in competition.....sure people talk about Spinks but hey he's a decent fighter and he has a very awkward style....Ouma is just all heart and everyone knew that and yeah he should have put on better showings vs those guys.

People might not like Jermain's personality and that's fine but I F****** dare anyone to not respect him as a fighter...he stepped up and has fought the best....what more do you want out of a fighter? People might give me some smart a** replies but they can just F*** off because I don't buy any of this "I hate Jermain" bullshit......I am probably the biggest hater of Floyd Mayweather Jr in the world but I respect his skill and I respect him when he truly fights like he did vs Hatton.

actually taylor did say that he was complaining about being tired after the second round, because he said that he wasted too much energy in trying to finish him, and it took alot out of him after the fight........but i dont think it was a excuse this was more of the truth...

[SigmaMu]

All I can say is that KARMA is a six headed biatch.
Why?
Look how Taylor won those titles against Hopkins. Many including myself, felt Hopkins was cheated. IMO, to be the man, you have to beat the man and Taylor, again IMO did not beat Hopkins. B-Hop said phuk it and moved up and out and now Taylor is gonna get chased out of the MWD right into B-Hop's lap. I love it. I would not mind seeing B-Hop/Taylor III @ 168.

Taylor is going to get SPARKED again

[ArawakWarria]

Just like the Conyers v. Kirkland fight; just take a look at how each person responded to being put down.... No way Taylor can withstand Pavlik. For that matter no one at Mwt can withstand Pavlik. That's why he hasn't gone the distance in almost four years.

As for the 2nd, Taylor hit him clean and even followed up with forearms (check the vid), and he still couldn't put Pavlik down for more than a few seconds.

Pavlik is the TRUTH... I agree he is not the fastest, but he won't quit. Taylor (as I have been saying) got lucky breaks on decisions that should have gone against him. Without the cards, he is a dead duck.

IMO he keeps the belts as long as he stays at Mwt. Duddy and A.Lee are joke opponents; Abraham would be a big draw for either side of the Atlantic.

[quammi]

taylor in a way let him off the hook in there first fight

I had to laugh when i saw this post. "Let him off the hook?"

Yes. I think a Hook had a lot to do with that tayor pavlik fight. but not in the way you are thinking, ha ha!

[Tito BHB]

nothing against taylor but i hope pavlik wins because i see him as the man to carry prestige for the legendary middle weight title, hes got heart, good chin and his punchs pop, that said he could get ko'd by taylor in the rematch, taylor in a way let him off the hook in there first fight

Prestige?.. Sorry whatt..

Taylor..The guy that is not always what you expect sure..

But the man Ducked NOONE

..I mean Cmon.. One minute he is a young undefeated prospect relatively untested and the only name on his record is william joppy..

The next he fights The great bernard hopkins twice in a row, then p4p higher fixture winky wright, kassim ouma a great fighter, cory spinks a great slick boxer and kelly pavlik all in a row and only looses to a hard hitting pavlik in the fight where taylor was his most entertaining and put his man down early and fought a war with pavlik and thats not prestige for you?

Let me tell you brother.. that guy has gone under the radar as faras a real warrior goes.. damn

[ICB]

nothing against taylor but i hope pavlik wins because i see him as the man to carry prestige for the legendary middle weight title, hes got heart, good chin and his punchs pop, that said he could get ko'd by taylor in the rematch, taylor in a way let him off the hook in there first fight

Prestige?.. Sorry whatt..

Taylor..The guy that is not always what you expect sure..

But the man Ducked NOONE

..I mean Cmon.. One minute he is a young undefeated prospect relatively untested and the only name on his record is william joppy..

The next he fights The great bernard hopkins twice in a row, then p4p higher fixture winky wright, kassim ouma a great fighter, cory spinks a great slick boxer and kelly pavlik all in a row and only looses to a hard hitting pavlik in the fight where taylor was his most entertaining and put his man down early and fought a war with pavlik and thats not prestige for you?

Let me tell you brother.. that guy has gone under the radar as faras a real warrior goes.. damn

CC.

[WestCoast]

becuse da fights at 166 cuz

[Drama]

Taylor is a warrior! he definitely deserves more credit.

[BigLuke]

I'll save a place for all the haters on the JT bandwagon when he does pavlick in in the rematch.