The Top 5 Best Skilled Mexican Fighters

[Violent Demise]

If were going on skill alone than Jorge Paez has to be up there.

[ICB]

1 Ricardo Lopez
2 Salvador Sanchez
3 Ruben Olivares
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Erik Morales

you did say skilled and not tough face first boxer?

Gotta agree with Missy here. Morales was a brawler first and he did have skills but to be at #5 all time I would say is too high. The key word here is skills. Not career, or who beat who. Just skills.....
Eriks my fav. Bantam all time but....
MAB was more skilled then Erik
Saldivar was more skilled then Erik
Canto was more skilled the Erik
Roman was more skilled then Erik
I would say JMM is one of the most skilled fighters of this/his time so arguably I can see someone having him at #4.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)

When Morales used his skills he certainly was well up there. Morales had better boxing skills than MAB he didn't use them as often but he had better skills IMO.

I'm sorry but your waaay off on this one for me......
I'm a die hard Erik fan as I said to me hes the greatest All Time - Bantam. I hated the S***! out of MAB at one point couldn't stand the f*****...
But now that I'v come to my sensus I've realized how skilled and talented MAB was.
Erik was never one to outbox someone, tho he did have the skills (As I mentioned in my previous post) he brawled by choice.
My moneys on that MAB would have beaten Zahir would he have fought Zahir. Erik looked like a kid trying to catch a chicken just no sense of direction what so ever. Erik at his best was the 1st Pac fight that was amazing.
Erik always out gunned his opponents he was a punching machine. He head hunted faaar too much he would forget to attack the body and concentrated more on head volume punching.
While MAB never forgot to go to the body his jab was phenomenal throught his whole career and he moved exceptionally well in that ring.
But again your going on what you've seen....

He out boxed Daniel Zaragoza, he out boxed Manny Pacquiao. By choosing his spots knowing went to attack and when not to. Morales may of been in more brawls than boxing matches but that doesn't mean he isn't one of the best skilled Mexican fighters. Take Meldrick Taylor for example he had great skills but he was in more brawls than boxing matches, but does that make him not one of the most skilled fighters of his era because he had warrior mentality and liked to get stuck in there and have a toe to toe war ??

And its exactly the same for Morales he like to get stuck in there and have toe to toe war but that doesn't change how greatly skilled he was.

[killersheep]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

[ICB]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

[CutMeMick]

Whoever does not have Chavez in their top 5 is wrong, Julio was very good and his skill is what allowed him to stand in there with superior athletes such as Meldric Taylor

Well BB when I read Ricardos question I assumed he ment skilled (Like slick boxers a la Perenell Whitaker, Pep etc. etc.)
Slickness and that type of skill.
If the question was just skills that can be interpreted in many ways for example what your saying it took JCC's skills to get him thru Taylor.
Eriks skills to get him through MAB and Pac.
I just assumed he ment skills like finess fighters. I'm not looking at records or accomplishment I'm thinking and replaying fighters in my head and their styles. I'm not basing the list on who can beat who I'm just listing them on skills which I interpreted as I said slick boxers.

If someone posts who's the most skilled American fighters? I'd post:
Pernell
PBF
RJJ
etc. etc. etc.

Heres my top 10.

1. 'Finito' Lopez
2. Salvador Sanchez
3. Gilberto Roman
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Miguel Canto
6. JMM
7. MAB
8. Zaragoza
9. Paez Sr.
10. Mijares

Honor mentions to: Montiel, Castillo, Munoz, Melchor Castro, Cazares.

*Theres also other fighters whom I've only seen a fight or 2 on and have read some things on them from what I gather they were exceptional fighters: Kid Azteca, Juan Zurita, Raul Macias, Rodolfo Casanova.

[CutMeMick]

If were going on skill alone than Jorge Paez has to be up there.

You must have fucken read my mind...

(Tho it took me a while to post cause I was taking out some clothes from the washer and putting it into the dryer but I had typed my post about 30 minutes ago)


Good call there VD on Paez... That fuckers waist was made out of rubber and the way he would toy with his opponents was funy as hell.

[killersheep]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

[CutMeMick]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

Spot on Killer...
I took it as "skills" (slickness, make you miss) but your right "skilled" is so broad that we all took it in different ways. I mean in that case just list the 5 Greatest Mexican fighters I mean that would be equivalent to listing the most skilled.

Ricardo/ICB help us out here. What did you mean by your question? (I know you always say you have trouble wording things maybe we can help out here) Did you mean skilled (like finess, boxing skills)? or just plain skills?
Which again to me that would be like just listing the Greatest fighters cause "skilled" covers so many departements....
I'm assuming you meant slickness, make you miss etc. etc. etc. which is why you listed Lopez at #1.

[killersheep]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

Spot on Killer...
I took it as "skills" (slickness, make you miss) but your right "skilled" is so broad that we all took it in different ways.

Whatever else is said, I don't want to get into an argument with you on the best Mexican fighters, you are p4p in that category.

[Tysonbruno]

1.Salvador Sanchez
2.Ricardo Lopez
3.Ruben Olivares
4.Juan Manuel Marquez
5.Erik Morales

For me with Julio Cesar Chavez and Barrera forcing arguement.

[CutMeMick]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

Spot on Killer...
I took it as "skills" (slickness, make you miss) but your right "skilled" is so broad that we all took it in different ways.

Whatever else is said, I don't want to get into an argument with you on the best Mexican fighters, you are p4p in that category.

Nah! man I learn new stuff on it everyday man... Third Man, eagle, VD and some others know their stuff to. You also know your stuff and to be honest Rafa & Jhonny deserve a mention. Both very slick and technical fighters.

[ICB]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

Spot on Killer...
I took it as "skills" (slickness, make you miss) but your right "skilled" is so broad that we all took it in different ways.

Whatever else is said, I don't want to get into an argument with you on the best Mexican fighters, you are p4p in that category.

Thats why i love debating with Mick about Mexican fighters i learn so much, and its challenging debating with someone with that much knowledge.

[eagle]

Possibly by the end of his career Mijares could be mentioned as one of the most skilled Mexican fighters.

[CutMeMick]

Ricardo/ICB help us out here. What did you mean by your question? (I know you always say you have trouble wording things maybe we can help out here) Did you mean skilled (like finess, boxing skills)? or just plain skills?
Which again to me that would be like just listing the Greatest fighters cause "skilled" covers so many departements....
I'm assuming you meant slickness, make you miss etc. etc. etc. which is why you listed Lopez at #1.

Also if you did mean that then maybe you should change the thread to read.

"The Top 5 Most Technical Skilled Mexican Fighters" or something along those lines...

[ICB]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ruben Olivares


This is a tough list to make.

Killer I complete disagree with Zarate coming in at #2.
(The again you could be listing fighters you have seen and know of)
I especially him over fighters like Sal, JCC, 'El Puas'....

You are right man I can't defend that other than to say I was at work :P

Let me reorganize

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Carlos Zarate

Zarate is to this day castly underrated IMO. I don't know how you can't have JCC on there, he was brilliant. My list now stands.

Depends on what your looking for in skills, Chavez was masterful pressure fighter picked his shots well, and was masterful going to the body, but was he a great technical boxer ?? nope not at all just depends what your taste is.

I think this topic is far too broad. First of all 5 greatest Mexican Fighters It's hard for me to pick 5 best Mexican's of anything boxing because there are just so many to choose from, so many different era's, weightclasses, etc. Secondly most skilled: This is also up for debate there are Mexican's who are "SKILLED" at every imaginable style.

Spot on Killer...
I took it as "skills" (slickness, make you miss) but your right "skilled" is so broad that we all took it in different ways. I mean in that case just list the 5 Greatest Mexican fighters I mean that would be equivalent to listing the most skilled.

Ricardo/ICB help us out here. What did you mean by your question? (I know you always say you have trouble wording things maybe we can help out here) Did you mean skilled (like finess, boxing skills)? or just plain skills?
Which again to me that would be like just listing the Greatest fighters cause "skilled" covers so many departements....
I'm assuming you meant slickness, make you miss etc. etc. etc. which is why you listed Lopez at #1.

Maybe this was a bad thread because it looks like i made a right mess of this thread. I meant all range of skills not just slickness etc. Lopez to me is complete package not just his slickness, his punching technique his countering abilities etc, were amazing to watch.