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[Dark Lord Al]

wot a load of shit it was written by a total dick
he says Floyd would make Leonard quit inside 4 rounds ?
hes oviously a complete asshole

[DaxxKahn]

wot a load of S*** it was written by a total dick
he says Floyd would make Leonard quit inside 4 rounds ?
hes oviously a complete asshole

he was talking about some of Floyds devout fans and how they go overboard with statements like that.....





IMO though it was a good article he must have had it out with a PBF follower on one of the forums because he dtresses on forum fans a lot in the article

[El Gamo]

CC for the article,a very very well thought out piece and one that can be used as a reference point for all fighters who claim to be legends. CC to Mick in 24 for your points,agree with everything you said. I have 0 doubt in my mind,if Mayweather was to beat Cotto/Williams,he would be VERY VERY high on ATG lists.

[Tito BHB]

Ive read all i could...

I read the words "EAST SIDE" and realised this was not for me

Lol

I did skip through and from what i read its a nice little testimony on floyd and regarding his greatness..

alot of people will already buy that he is a great but its not just about having a split legacy .. people will be won over before he fights again if he does.. But some may never be won over without fighting again and he cant have a half a vote as a great from the fans and spectators of his era imo..

We will see i guess

[Kev]

Ok allow me to play Devil's Advocate here and call the author of that little piece a fucktard.

His crappy little piece was just a snide at Floyd that didn't even need answering.

First off, who are these 'pretty boys' who proclaim that Floyd can walk on water, beat fighters with one hand tied behind his back and own any fighter who ever lived? I consider myself a hardcore insanely addicted boxing fan and yet I've never heard a single commentator, writer or respected expert say anything of the sort.

In fact the only comments made by experts concerning Floyd Mayweather are similarly snide remarks from hasbeens like Emmannuel (I can't train a fighter for S*** any more) Steward and Larry (all that Gin has clouded my brain and made me go all warm and fuzzy) Merchant.

In fact I'd like to be pointed in the direction of a single expert or boxing analyists writings proclaiming Floyd to be as good as Ray Robinson or Ali. I'm serious somebody please find me the link


Ok then, so now we;ve established that this fucktard author was 'responding' to claims of greatness that have never actually been made by anyone other than Floyd himself let's take this a step further.

He says that Floyd is not in the company of Ali, Robinson, Leonard etc and I agree he's not quite there YET.

For F***'s sake the guy is still in his prime and hasn't finished his career yet but some people still want to bash him and tell us how his legacy isn't as good as these other guys. WELL HELLO! HE'S STILL IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING HIS LEGACY DOUCHEBAG!!

Now let's look at his next statement. Boxers must fufil two criteria to be considered great.

1.) Fight the best available.
2.)Dominate 1 divison.

Here I completely disagree. This'fucktard' believes that it is better and more meaningful to dominate a crap division than it is to move up the weights. What kind of shitty logic is that?

So according to dogshite boxing writer if Floyd would have stayed at super featherweight and still remained undefeated his legacy would be better than in is?

Hmm ok, now doesn't this contradict rule 1. Fight the best available?

Now unless I'm mistaken Floyd HAS pretty much fought and beat the best available.

He beat Diego Coralles and Jose Luis Castillo who are clearly the best two lightweights in recent years. He's beaten Ricky Hatton who was the undisputed Ring Light welterweight champ, he's beaten Zab Judah who was considered the best welterweight in the world just a couple years ago and he's beaten Oscar De La Hoya who has won more titles in more weight classed than any other boxer in history and more impressively Floyd beat him whilst fighting 4 divisions above his original weight.

Now as for him not fighting the best at welterweight yet I readily agree he still has to face Miguel Cotto and possibly Paul Williams and Shane Mosely. Almost certainly he will.

And lets' not forget Cotto has only been at welterweight for around 12 months so there hasn't been time for that fight to happen yet, but rest assured it will.

The dogshite writer is also at pains to point out that remaining undefeated isn't that important. Well once again I beg to differ. OF COURSE IT'S IMPORTANT YOU THICK F****** DOGSHITE WRITER'

People who criticise Floyd always use his worst performances and compare them to the best performances of the greats. Look at his fight with Baldomir they say, where he ran all night, a real champion would have traded and gone for the knockout.

Well let's look at it like this. That was possibly Floyd's worst career performance and he still won and on most people's cards he won every F****** round.

Not let's compare to Ray Leonard's worst performance, getting KO'd by Hector Camacho or Roberto Duran, losing to Kirkland Laing or getting destroyed by Thomas Hearns.

Let's look at Ray Robinson losing his middleweight title to Randy Turpin and 4 other guys. Let's look at Ali almost getting KO'd by a journeyman Henry Cooper or almost coming unstuck against Doug Jones.

When you compare the worst peformances of any boxer in history to the worst performances of Floyd Mayweather well even the most biased observer will have to admit that Floyd ALWAYS performs.

He's never been knocked down (legitimately), never been beaten up, never even been truly extended.

It seems to me that if he would have been then his critics would rate him higher.

If anything Floyd's biggest problem has been that he is simply so much better than the competition that he is too good to be involved in the furious ring wars and toe to toe brawls that allowed his more illustrious predecessors to gain boxing immortality.

Anyway I'm harping on as this article really winded me up. I think it's worth stating that I don't myself regard Floyd on the level of Leonard, Duran, Robinson and Ali just yet, he still has more to do. But to criticise a fighter's legacy before he has even finished just seems a farcical thing to do.

But then I wouldn't expect anything more from a writer at dogshite boxing.

I agree with many of your points, but cannot agree with all of them.

Now unless I'm mistaken Floyd HAS pretty much fought and beat the best available. That is open for debate. Yes he did fight the best available at the lower weight classes, but has carefully selected his opponents for the past few years.

He beat Diego Coralles and Jose Luis Castillo who are clearly the best two lightweights in recent years. He's beaten Ricky Hatton who was the undisputed Ring Light welterweight champ, he's beaten Zab Judah who was considered the best welterweight in the world just a couple years ago and he's beaten Oscar De La Hoya who has won more titles in more weight classed than any other boxer in history and more impressively Floyd beat him whilst fighting 4 divisions above his original weight.
. I give him full props for beating Diego and Jose, they were great wins from a great fighter. Hatton was a fish out of water fighting at welterweight. Zab I think was just waiting to get beat. Oscar was also 4 divisions above his original weight and was past his prime, so I cannot call them great wins. Good wins yes, but not great wins.

He's never been knocked down (legitimately), never been beaten up, never even been truly extended. None of those points will determine if a fighter is to be considered great or not in my opinion. Great fighters have gotten knocked down, have gotten beaten up and have been extended. This is part of the reason Floyd gets picked on. He has not fought any other great fighters to test him. He fought some great names, but the ones he did were ages ago or past their prime. Boxing is kinda weak right now when it comes to talent. If you look in that other thread and compare now to the 80's for example, you will see what I mean. It is not all Floyd's fault that he has so many detractors, but he has to take some of the blame as he could have been out there setting up fights with the other young, hungry Welterweight champions instead of Hatton.

To be honest I find many of these points irrational. Hatton was 43-0 and was the undisputed Ring Magazine lightweight champion of the world. IOn addition to that he was also a former WBA WELTWERWEIGHT champion.

I hate how boxing fans, and Hatton fans in particular have just excused Hatton's defeat by saying well he just wasn't a natural welterweight. That's a lame excuse and just detracts from Floyd. It's irrelevent anyhow as Floyd isn't a welterweight either and could easily probably campaign at lightweight now.

As for Oscar you are right he started in the lower weight classes but at 5 ft 10 is still much bigger naturally than Floyd. Furthermore Oscar IS now fighting at his natural weight, he couldn't go any lower now whereas Floyd could clearly move back down if he wanted.

It's interesting when looking at other great fighters how weight considerations were never applied to them. Duran had only been a welterweight for 12 months when he fought Ray Leonard. If would have lost their first fight would Leonard have been similarly discredited with having merely fought a blown up lightweight?

Furthemore Floyd is naturally smaller than Leonard, Hearns and Duran. He began as a super featherweight so direct comparisons are unfair imo. However I believe he would have fared very well against them at welterweight or especially at his prime weights of super feather/lightweight. If you think the other guys would be at a disadvantage competing at such lightweights then it just shows the hypocrisy at work when judging Floyd. He beats a genuine p4p undefeated fighter but it means nothing because he was not fighting at his natural weight, however people want and expect the right to be able to compare Floyd to Leonard, Hearns etc at welterweight, a weight far above his own natural weight.

And just for the record, I think Floyd beats Duran at lightweight or junior welterweight..

[boozeboxer]

Bilbo you have become insanely stupid as of late. And I have the utmost respect for you. However, I do suggest you watch a Duran fight at Lightweight again sometime. Floyd thinks he has fought some formidable opponents. He would shat himself when Duran slithered through the ropes.

[Bx730NY]

Bilbo you have become insanely stupid as of late. And I have the utmost respect for you. However, I do suggest you watch a Duran fight at Lightweight again sometime. Floyd thinks he has fought some formidable opponents. He would shat himself when Duran slithered through the ropes.

CC for noticing.

He is one the guys the article referred to that thinks floyd walks on water.

[Kev]

Bilbo you have become insanely stupid as of late. And I have the utmost respect for you. However, I do suggest you watch a Duran fight at Lightweight again sometime. Floyd thinks he has fought some formidable opponents. He would shat himself when Duran slithered through the ropes.

CC for noticing.

He is one the guys the article referred to that thinks floyd walks on water.

Not at all, Duran lost to far worse fighters than Floyd.

I like Duran and think he's one of the all time greats but there is a huge tendancy to overate Duran and underate Mayweather imo.

The guy has never lost, can adjust midfight to an opponent better than any other boxer I have seen in history and never ever has an off night.

Whether you hate him or not doesn't change the fact that Floyd is a master strategist in the ring and the best defensive fighter of our generation. He could have frustrated the hell out of Duran.

Seriously I think some people just have too much nostalgia for certain old fighters and think that nobody in the present era's could touch them.

It has never been like that people. The differences between the best in any era are just marginal at best. Duran struggled against certain lesser opponents in his own era so why do assume he wouldn't struggle against the absolute best of the current era?

Likewise Ray Robinson. He lost his middleweight crown 5 times and went life and death with Randy Turpin in the rematch yet people scoff at the idea that Bernard Hopkins for example could have possibly beaten him.

Now I'm not putting Hopkins anywhere near as high as Ray Robinson on the All Time list, and I agree Ray is number 1 but if they ever met in a fight I hoonestly don't know who would have won. Considering Ray lost a bunch of fights at middleweight I would probably side with Hopkins to be honest.

Anyone back on topic, in my mind Floyd could beat Duran. Is he as high p4p yet? No. But if they fought it would be a 50/50 fight and I reckon the betting would favour Floyd slightly.

Make of that what you will.

[SweetPea]

I think I said I would have him somewhere in the top 20-25....
But some people went a little too far there and echoed PBF's comments about how great he is.

Exactly, I think even Floyd's biggest fans (and I consider myself one of them) should put him no higher than 20-25 as of right now.

There have been a ton of fighters over the years who have been dominant throughout their 20s, thru their first 40 fights or so. What separates the very good fighters from the great fighters is what they do in their early-to-mid 30s, when their skills start to leave them and they need to find other ways to win.

Floyd has proven himself as the clear cut #1 PFP fighter in the world right now, and he is winning by a big margin in the race to be Fighter of the Decade, but to be mentioned among the all-time greats, he needs to keep fighting and keep beating quality opponents at welterweight.

[terrorsid]

i just wanna know why the Hatton Mayweather fight took place cause Mayweather beat Mayweather just beat Oscar what did it prove by him knocking out hatton since he proved his greatness? yea ok everything he's done from back then til now has been great now he's the man on top the man to beat and he's been jumping weight classed his whole career fighting hand picked opponents when he went to higher weight classed... similar to JonesvsRuiz but right now since he done moved up and beat them all he needs to fight cotto he's a big icon right now 2 from puerto rico iand he just beat shane mosley and he's undefeated for him not 2 fight Cotto all you people understand that he's making excuses straight up Mayweather is a champion cotto is a champion and a warrior and smart... But you cant satisfy everyone if you wanna see pretty fights watch pretty boy but when your ready to see someone get damn near bruised for life cotto it is. Sometime perfection constantely cause fear of failing the big test thats why he wont stay a welter BIG NAME and BIG FAME also LITTLE heart i'm happy he's gone that give Cotto time to show you people how real champs do it. Its not about winning or losing its about satisfying fans by taking on the biggest threats FUCK HIM

[NuthaPug]

so, terrorsid, what happens when PBF and Cotto meet, and Floyd wins? What will you say then?

[Kev]

I think I said I would have him somewhere in the top 20-25....
But some people went a little too far there and echoed PBF's comments about how great he is.

Exactly, I think even Floyd's biggest fans (and I consider myself one of them) should put him no higher than 20-25 as of right now.

There have been a ton of fighters over the years who have been dominant throughout their 20s, thru their first 40 fights or so. What separates the very good fighters from the great fighters is what they do in their early-to-mid 30s, when their skills start to leave them and they need to find other ways to win.

Floyd has proven himself as the clear cut #1 PFP fighter in the world right now, and he is winning by a big margin in the race to be Fighter of the Decade, but to be mentioned among the all-time greats, he needs to keep fighting and keep beating quality opponents at welterweight.

The irony here though is that as far as I'm aware at least I have NEVER heard or seen any boxing expert, writer or even serious Saddo boxing fan ever place him any higher than that.

This shitty article from Dogshite boxing was aimed at Mayweather glory boy fans who to my knowledge don't even exist

Who is it that said Floyd was a top 10 All time great? I've never seen anybody ever claim it, certainly nobody reputable, yet everybody is on here slagging Floyd and his delusional fanboys who never said he was any higher than 20-25 anyways

[Bx730NY]

so, terrorsid, what happens when PBF and Cotto meet, and Floyd wins? What will you say then?

Thats the whole point. No one can question him if he takes on a guy like Cotto, win or lose. There is no reason a guy that keeps claiming to be the best shouldn't be proving it in the ring. Not with his piehole.

[Kev]

so, terrorsid, what happens when PBF and Cotto meet, and Floyd wins? What will you say then?

Thats the whole point. No one can question him if he takes on a guy like Cotto, win or lose. There is no reason a guy that keeps claiming to be the best shouldn't be proving it in the ring. Not with his piehole.

He will fight Cotto eventually. Great fighters these days only have two or three fights a year and beating Oscar and Hatton in the two biggest non heavyweight PPV's in history is about as good a year as any fighter can be expected to have. He is the Ring fighter of the year after all.

Anyway with Oscar and Hatton out the way in 07 who knows what Floyd will do in 2008?

I'd imagine he'll take a break and maybe only fight once but I can guarantee that when he does come back it will be a big name.

I can't see him taking any opponents other than Cotto or Mosely for his next fight.

[Chino]

From the list of guys Floyd has beaten the only two that I could be proud of would be Hatton which was in his peak and De La Hoya which may not be in his peak but still a smart all-around boxer who's loss against Floyd was questionable.