The Heavyweight's

[Hulk]

Well....it wasn't "better competition" it was "well established" competition: Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Andruw Golota are no better than what Wladimir has fought, they just have name recognition.

Lennox did have Evander Holyfield and that is his biggest win...both those fights were good but the decisions (in both of them) sucked

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

[DaxxKahn]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

Your talking out of your ass...and using the fact all the top guys are not Americans as an excuse to back up your ignorance......Tony Tucker, Greg Page were good fighters and I pick either over Ibragimov prime for prime....Michael Moorer even with a soft Chin makes it a one sided affair with Ibragimov

I pick Bruno to beat Valuev 999 out of 100 times...(Bruno who is British By The Way so there goes your American theory).....

Ruddock ws only beaten By Lennox Lewis who is perhaps one of the top 5 all time Heavyweights to ever grace the sport...and a very good version of Mike Tyson...His loss to Morrison was past his best years....

As for the older champs as you call them and their heyday....l.;The 1990's crop of heavyweights would wipe their asses with any of these guys with the excpetion of Wlad...The HWTS from the 1970's would use guys like Chagaev, Ibragimov, Peter for sparring Partners....

Peter in the 1970's would have met George Foreman and found out what real Power was...Assuming he was not banished by Ron Lyle or Earnie Shavers before the chance to meet George....Same goes for anyone else on your list

[Kev]

Well....it wasn't "better competition" it was "well established" competition: Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Andruw Golota are no better than what Wladimir has fought, they just have name recognition.

Lennox did have Evander Holyfield and that is his biggest win...both those fights were good but the decisions (in both of them) sucked

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

I'm agreeing with the Marvel comic superhero on this. If Frank Bruno was around today he'd Ko all the current lot of heavies inside 4 rounds including Klitschko.

It's a shitty era we live in today with very little talent to speak of. Seriously if Joe Frazier attempted a comeback he could probably work his wa back to a title shot.

If this standard doesn't improve over the next 5 or 6 years I can imagine it won't be too long before we witness the first man to win both a weltwerweight and heavyweight world title.

[Hulk]

Well....it wasn't "better competition" it was "well established" competition: Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Andruw Golota are no better than what Wladimir has fought, they just have name recognition.

Lennox did have Evander Holyfield and that is his biggest win...both those fights were good but the decisions (in both of them) sucked

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

I'm agreeing with the Marvel comic superhero on this. If Frank Bruno was around today he'd Ko all the current lot of heavies inside 4 rounds including Klitschko.

It's a shitty era we live in today with very little talent to speak of. Seriously if Joe Frazier attempted a comeback he could probably work his wa back to a title shot.

If this standard doesn't improve over the next 5 or 6 years I can imagine it won't be too long before we witness the first man to win both a weltwerweight and heavyweight world title.

Thank you Bilbo. CC. It is good to see that even though JFAT has let himself go, the JFAT Alliance stands strong as ever.

[Kev]

Well....it wasn't "better competition" it was "well established" competition: Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Andruw Golota are no better than what Wladimir has fought, they just have name recognition.

Lennox did have Evander Holyfield and that is his biggest win...both those fights were good but the decisions (in both of them) sucked

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

I'm agreeing with the Marvel comic superhero on this. If Frank Bruno was around today he'd Ko all the current lot of heavies inside 4 rounds including Klitschko.

It's a shitty era we live in today with very little talent to speak of. Seriously if Joe Frazier attempted a comeback he could probably work his wa back to a title shot.

If this standard doesn't improve over the next 5 or 6 years I can imagine it won't be too long before we witness the first man to win both a weltwerweight and heavyweight world title.

Thank you Bilbo. CC. It is good to see that even though JFAT has let himself go, the JFAT Alliance stands strong as ever.

lol cc returned Toney and Mayorga are the truth

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

That's a big CC. Everyone wants to harp on champs they grew up with or just plain grew use to and compair them to champs of today even though they will never meet in the ring..The funny thing is ten years from now they will be harping on the champs of today.

[DaxxKahn]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

Yeah...Because everyone just raves about Pinklon Thomas, BoneCrusher Smith and Tony Tubbs


That's a big CC. Everyone wants to harp on champs they grew up with or just plain grew use to and compair them to champs of today even though they will never meet in the ring..The funny thing is ten years from now they will be harping on the champs of today.

[Kev]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

That's a big CC. Everyone wants to harp on champs they grew up with or just plain grew use to and compair them to champs of today even though they will never meet in the ring..The funny thing is ten years from now they will be harping on the champs of today.

This sounds like one of those 'black is the new white' trend speeches.

So what you are telling us is ,'slow is the new fast, fat is the new slim and clubfighter is the new undisputed'.

Sorry but this is one fashion trend I just can't get behind

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

That's a big CC. Everyone wants to harp on champs they grew up with or just plain grew use to and compair them to champs of today even though they will never meet in the ring..The funny thing is ten years from now they will be harping on the champs of today.

This sounds like one of those 'black is the new white' trend speeches.

So what you are telling us is ,'slow is the new fast, fat is the new slim and clubfighter is the new undisputed'.

Sorry but this is one fashion trend I just can't get behind

Wheather you are behind it or not it will it will unfold as is.

[DaxxKahn]

Well....it wasn't "better competition" it was "well established" competition: Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Andruw Golota are no better than what Wladimir has fought, they just have name recognition.

Lennox did have Evander Holyfield and that is his biggest win...both those fights were good but the decisions (in both of them) sucked

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

Agreed I also think that version of Bruno beats every title holder in the division today with the exception of Wlad...IMO that is a toss up on who gets caught flush first

[DaxxKahn]

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

That's a big CC. Everyone wants to harp on champs they grew up with or just plain grew use to and compair them to champs of today even though they will never meet in the ring..The funny thing is ten years from now they will be harping on the champs of today.

This sounds like one of those 'black is the new white' trend speeches.

So what you are telling us is ,'slow is the new fast, fat is the new slim and clubfighter is the new undisputed'.

Sorry but this is one fashion trend I just can't get behind

Wheather you are behind it or not it will it will unfold as is.

Yeah well that makes two of you.....Two out of the millions that observe the sport

[WelshDevilRob]

The Heavyweights of today are a sad bunch and remind me of the 80's Heavyweights like Tubbs, Page etc but without the natural talent or bonafide champions like Tyson and Holmes. The titles seem to change hands too much while Wladimir Klitschko's challengers are pretty poor and he looks way too fragile.
Klitschko will beat the timid Ibragimov but big deal.

Sam Peter looked decent if slow but his life seems to be in turmoil and any fighter that gets floored by Jemeel McCline is not going to be champion for long.

Larry Holmes put it best when he said "Heavyweights these days can't fight".

[El Kabong]

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

Frank Bruno is the British version of Hasim Rahman

[WelshDevilRob]

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

Frank Bruno is the British version of Hasim Rahman

Not really, Bruno had more power while Hasim was less rigid.

[El Kabong]

....they both didn't use the jab as well as they could have and they underachieved.

Frank Bruno wasn't chinny but he was easy to hit, Wlad might be chinny but he's not easy to hit.....plus in seeing his fights Bruno had a lazy jab and dropped it some after throwing it, that's a no no vs a guy with such a killer right cross as Wlad's