If old man B-Hop actually defeats JoeCal, could he make a case for #1 P4P?

[El Gamo]

What do mean? BoxRec already has him #1P4P!

I think B Hop goes number 2 at most,depending on the manner of his win. As for P4P number 1,the winner of Pacman v Jmm has a STRONG case for that position.

[GAME]

In answer to the topis question yes it does.

Floyd , Hopkins and Joe are currently in the top 3 and if Hopkins beat joe or vice versa then theyd be number 1 .

[ICB]

In answer to the topis question yes it does.

Floyd , Hopkins and Joe are currently in the top 3 and if Hopkins beat joe or vice versa then theyd be number 1 .

Hopkins is number 4 on my list.

[GAME]

In answer to the topis question yes it does.

Floyd , Hopkins and Joe are currently in the top 3 and if Hopkins beat joe or vice versa then theyd be number 1 .

Hopkins is number 4 on my list.

Cottos number 4 on mine . Who are ya top 3 then ?

[ICB]

In answer to the topis question yes it does.

Floyd , Hopkins and Joe are currently in the top 3 and if Hopkins beat joe or vice versa then theyd be number 1 .

Hopkins is number 4 on my list.

Cottos number 4 on mine . Who are ya top 3 then ?

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Joe Calzaghe
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Israel Vasquez
8 Rafael Marquez
9 Ivan Calderon
10 Juan Diaz
11 Kelly Pavlik
12 Winky Wright
13 Ricky Hatton
14 Joan Guzman
15 Jermain Taylor
16 Shane Mosley
17 Mikkel Kessler
18 Christian Mijares
19 Chris John
20 Nonito Donaire

[p4pking]

What wil piss me off is when Calzaghe whups Hopkins a** and The Ring magazine will still only put him at 5th or something ridiculous like that

Calzaghe would need to move up and KO Klitscho to get any recognition stateside.

That's a bit outlandish..... He has NEVER fought in the states. Name.....2 great(not world class, great) fighters who built their legacy outside of the US. How is Calzaghe supposed to expect recognition stateside when the only time he had a televised fight here was against another fighter unknown to basically everyone? Why should he have any recognition in the US, in your mind. I know he's a great fighter but boxing isn't a mainstream sport by any means these days, Americans hardly take notice of their own up and coming prospects. If he beats Hopkins that will all change though.. Because Hopkins is almost a household name these days. Calzaghe has never fought anyone even close to his stature.

[Wacko3205]

The way the top of the P4P list is it's really a tough call.

I mean PBF is a concrete stand at #1 and only loosing or inactivity will hurt him. IMO chances are the inactvity will come 1st.

I agree with SweetPea that the winner of JMM-Pac will have more of a case at shifting around with PBF. If Hopkins wins that IMO earns him a solid spot at #3.

I agree...to kind of disagree.

Here's the way I see it. Hopkins was the man for quite sometime. He was running on a record breaking streak & then he lost to Taylor...personally...I never settled with that loss because of the way it came about...but fan or no fan...a loss is a loss. Then Taylor fought Hopkins again & won...more convincingly in my opinion than the first. Taylor didn't really even catapult to a fourth or fifth slot.

Floyd has done the most to merit the #1 slot.

Now, IWO, if Hopkins loses to Calzaghe...which I believe he will...then Joe should hit the #2 spot atleast. Personally...I think that he argues a case for the #1 slot. Why? Joe's running a defense streak...much like Hopkins, he's undefeated, he's faced & is facing the best that his class has to offer, & he will just have beaten one of the greatest middleweight fighters of the last 10 to 15 years.

Now...as for Pacquiao Marquez...there lies the quandry. If the fight comes off explosively & Pac wins...he'll be a shoe in for the #2 spot. If Marquez wins...I think he moves up in his rank...but not to #1 status...even though beating Pac will be a blast.

The thing is Floyd is still the number one man no matter what anyone thinks of his personality. Floyd has remained undefeated & undisputed for the duration of his career. He's battered everyone that he's faced quite impressivley & should retain his spot...granted...if he's going to be inactive for two or three years...that should bump him down.

It'll be a mess.

[Hulk]

The way the top of the P4P list is it's really a tough call.

I mean PBF is a concrete stand at #1 and only loosing or inactivity will hurt him. IMO chances are the inactvity will come 1st.

I agree with SweetPea that the winner of JMM-Pac will have more of a case at shifting around with PBF. If Hopkins wins that IMO earns him a solid spot at #3.

I agree...to kind of disagree.

Here's the way I see it. Hopkins was the man for quite sometime. He was running on a record breaking streak & then he lost to Taylor...personally...I never settled with that loss because of the way it came about...but fan or no fan...a loss is a loss. Then Taylor fought Hopkins again & won...more convincingly in my opinion than the first. Taylor didn't really even catapult to a fourth or fifth slot.

Floyd has done the most to merit the #1 slot.

Now, IWO, if Hopkins loses to Calzaghe...which I believe he will...then Joe should hit the #2 spot atleast. Personally...I think that he argues a case for the #1 slot. Why? Joe's running a defense streak...much like Hopkins, he's undefeated, he's faced & is facing the best that his class has to offer, & he will just have beaten one of the greatest middleweight fighters of the last 10 to 15 years.

Now...as for Pacquiao Marquez...there lies the quandry. If the fight comes off explosively & Pac wins...he'll be a shoe in for the #2 spot. If Marquez wins...I think he moves up in his rank...but not to #1 status...even though beating Pac will be a blast.

The thing is Floyd is still the number one man no matter what anyone thinks of his personality. Floyd has remained undefeated & undisputed for the duration of his career. He's battered everyone that he's faced quite impressivley & should retain his spot...granted...if he's going to be inactive for two or three years...that should bump him down.

It'll be a mess.

Hopkins doesn't need fans like you Wacko. "Intelligent Fight Fan" or not, you NEVER back Bernard up anymore. Fuck Calzaghe, just cus he's UK and popular amongst a lot of the UK members does not mean you need to sing his praises constantly bro. You are better than that.

[Wacko3205]

The way the top of the P4P list is it's really a tough call.

I mean PBF is a concrete stand at #1 and only loosing or inactivity will hurt him. IMO chances are the inactvity will come 1st.

I agree with SweetPea that the winner of JMM-Pac will have more of a case at shifting around with PBF. If Hopkins wins that IMO earns him a solid spot at #3.

I agree...to kind of disagree.

Here's the way I see it. Hopkins was the man for quite sometime. He was running on a record breaking streak & then he lost to Taylor...personally...I never settled with that loss because of the way it came about...but fan or no fan...a loss is a loss. Then Taylor fought Hopkins again & won...more convincingly in my opinion than the first. Taylor didn't really even catapult to a fourth or fifth slot.

Floyd has done the most to merit the #1 slot.

Now, IWO, if Hopkins loses to Calzaghe...which I believe he will...then Joe should hit the #2 spot atleast. Personally...I think that he argues a case for the #1 slot. Why? Joe's running a defense streak...much like Hopkins, he's undefeated, he's faced & is facing the best that his class has to offer, & he will just have beaten one of the greatest middleweight fighters of the last 10 to 15 years.

Now...as for Pacquiao Marquez...there lies the quandry. If the fight comes off explosively & Pac wins...he'll be a shoe in for the #2 spot. If Marquez wins...I think he moves up in his rank...but not to #1 status...even though beating Pac will be a blast.

The thing is Floyd is still the number one man no matter what anyone thinks of his personality. Floyd has remained undefeated & undisputed for the duration of his career. He's battered everyone that he's faced quite impressivley & should retain his spot...granted...if he's going to be inactive for two or three years...that should bump him down.

It'll be a mess.

Hopkins doesn't need fans like you Wacko. "Intelligent Fight Fan" or not, you NEVER back Bernard up anymore. F*** Calzaghe, just cus he's UK and popular amongst a lot of the UK members does not mean you need to sing his praises constantly bro. You are better than that.

Hulk get mad...hulk get stupid!

Grow up. This has nothing to do with me being an intelligent fight fan or not...nor does it have anything to do with me backing Calzaghe because he's from the U.K.

I've always praised Calzaghe & ALWAYS picked him to win...no matter who he's facing. The same used to go for Hopkins. I picked against him for Tarver & Calzaghe & you cry like I scolded one of your family members. Deal.

Fuck Calzaghe?

I would say that you're better than that...but you blatantly proved that you're not time & time again.

Calzaghe will keep on winning & you will keep on crying.

[Hulk]

Yeah, you picked Hopkins to beat Tarver? That's a blatent fuckin LIE. You picked Tarver I remember it plain as day. Calzaghe ain't all that. He's very good, but not good enough to beat Bernard Hopkins.

I never claim to be the God of the forum, I don't make fake threads about my leaving seeking attention. So when I say crude, ignorant things like "Fuck Calzaghe" nobody cares. They expect as much from me. I'm just Hulk.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

1) pacman
2) mayweather
3) cotto
4) marquez
5) vazquez

thats my top 5, i like to go for younger lions at this time, as a big hopkins fan i can't place him in the top 5, so i wouldn't make him number 1 if he beat joe

[Wacko3205]

Yeah, you picked Hopkins to beat Tarver? That's a blatent F****** LIE. You picked Tarver I remember it plain as day. Calzaghe ain't all that. He's very good, but not good enough to beat Bernard Hopkins.

You're either illiterate or just plain F****** stupid Hulk. Read that again outloud to yourself...but remove your big green foot from your mouth first!

I've always praised Calzaghe & ALWAYS picked him to win...no matter who he's facing. The same used to go for Hopkins. I picked against him for Tarver & Calzaghe & you cry like I scolded one of your family members. Deal.

The above means...I picked against Hopkins when he fought Tarver & I will do the same against him with Calzaghe.

Moron.

[El Gamo]

I don't think it's inconceivable that B Hop goes to 1,but if JC wins,he DEFINTELY can go to number 1.It would mean he's cleaned out a division,unbeaten,battered his 2 nearest rivals,unified the titles and beat the "champ" at 175.I changed my opinion slightly because,it's such a tough fight for both fighters.

[Wacko3205]

I don't think it's inconceivable that B Hop goes to 1,but if JC wins,he DEFINTELY can go to number 1.It would mean he's cleaned out a division,unbeaten,battered his 2 nearest rivals,unified the titles and beat the "champ" at 175.I changed my opinion slightly because,it's such a tough fight for both fighters.

Very good points & well stated.

[leftylee]

In answer to the topis question yes it does.

Floyd , Hopkins and Joe are currently in the top 3 and if Hopkins beat joe or vice versa then theyd be number 1 .

Hopkins is number 4 on my list.

Cottos number 4 on mine . Who are ya top 3 then ?

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Joe Calzaghe
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Israel Vasquez
8 Rafael Marquez
9 Ivan Calderon
10 Juan Diaz
11 Kelly Pavlik
12 Winky Wright
13 Ricky Hatton
14 Joan Guzman
15 Jermain Taylor
16 Shane Mosley
17 Mikkel Kessler
18 Christian Mijares
19 Chris John
20 Nonito Donaire

a good list man but don't you think Wlad Klitchsko has a case for top 20 especially if Chris John is in there ??