I just got done watching a set of Aaron Pryor fights and....

[Rican]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

[DaxxKahn]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

[Rican]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

Well, thanks, I'll just toot my own horn and say it was a quality comment from me. Think about it. I'm not basing Pryors whole career on one bottle. Don't put words in my mouth (speak for yourself). I'm simply saying that when I think of Pryor's greatness, I do it with a raised eyebrow. I can't help but be influenced by guilt by assocaitaion. I need not mention the dishonorable and downright immoral and CRIMINAL behavior of Pryor's trainer, Panama Lewis, in his career. Nor do I need to mention Luis Resto. Because of this, whenever I think of the great Aaron Pryor, I can't help but have a speck of doubt in my mind. What's so wrong about that?

[ArawakWarria]

Thanks for a great post. I agree and disagree.

Yes, he was the toughest at 140, but he was also the best. Look at his record... ONE LOSS after a 2.5 year layoff, and he beat EVERY TOP PERSON at 140. Leonard did his best to win at JuWelt without fighting Pryor (just like Mayweather won a belt at 140 without fighting Cotto or Hatton).

I don't think he gets the credit he deserves... In 40 fights, one loss. In 40 fights only 4 decisions, and two of those came in his first ten fights. This means he KO'd all but three of the people he fought in his prime and after!!!

Name someone else who can claim this. Bad hands or not, PBF was never knocking people dead like Pryor--at any weight class.

If he was not the best boxer at 140, then who was?

[DaxxKahn]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

Well, thanks, I'll just toot my own horn and say it was a quality comment from me. Think about it. I'm not basing Pryors whole career on one bottle. Don't put words in my mouth (speak for yourself). I'm simply saying that when I think of Pryor's greatness, I do it with a raised eyebrow. I can't help but be influenced by guilt by assocaitaion. I need not mention the dishonorable and downright immoral and CRIMINAL behavior of Pryor's trainer, Panama Lewis, in his career. Nor do I need to mention Luis Resto. Because of this, whenever I think of the great Aaron Pryor, I can't help but have a speck of doubt in my mind. What's so wrong about that?

No see that where you are wrong..you never mentioned anything but the bottle in your post...and in the second post all you mentioned was coke...so from those two post it is fair to assume you are basing everything on the bottle...oh Im sorry and Coke...pay attention to your own post before you start a new one and talk....

[Rican]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

Well, thanks, I'll just toot my own horn and say it was a quality comment from me. Think about it. I'm not basing Pryors whole career on one bottle. Don't put words in my mouth (speak for yourself). I'm simply saying that when I think of Pryor's greatness, I do it with a raised eyebrow. I can't help but be influenced by guilt by assocaitaion. I need not mention the dishonorable and downright immoral and CRIMINAL behavior of Pryor's trainer, Panama Lewis, in his career. Nor do I need to mention Luis Resto. Because of this, whenever I think of the great Aaron Pryor, I can't help but have a speck of doubt in my mind. What's so wrong about that?

No see that where you are wrong..you never mentioned anything but the bottle in your post...and in the second post all you mentioned was coke...so from those two post it is fair to assume you are basing everything on the bottle...oh Im sorry and Coke...pay attention to your own post before you start a new one and talk....

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

[DaxxKahn]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

Well, thanks, I'll just toot my own horn and say it was a quality comment from me. Think about it. I'm not basing Pryors whole career on one bottle. Don't put words in my mouth (speak for yourself). I'm simply saying that when I think of Pryor's greatness, I do it with a raised eyebrow. I can't help but be influenced by guilt by assocaitaion. I need not mention the dishonorable and downright immoral and CRIMINAL behavior of Pryor's trainer, Panama Lewis, in his career. Nor do I need to mention Luis Resto. Because of this, whenever I think of the great Aaron Pryor, I can't help but have a speck of doubt in my mind. What's so wrong about that?

No see that where you are wrong..you never mentioned anything but the bottle in your post...and in the second post all you mentioned was coke...so from those two post it is fair to assume you are basing everything on the bottle...oh Im sorry and Coke...pay attention to your own post before you start a new one and talk....

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

When you get out of bed in the morning do you say to yourself "I wonder how I can be an asshole today?"

[CutMeMick]

As a fighter Pryor was a beast his style was at times barberic. He would be a handful for anyone from JCC to Tszyu.

As an all time great IMO he falls short due to a short career and quality of opposition. I've debated that several times and the Cervantes win was great, and the Alexis wins are good wins. But aside from that there isn't much to choose from. I will agree that he was plagued with quality of names being aroud at 140 it's obvious to see the big boys were at 147 why didn't he make is move to 147?

I will admit that I (on a personal level) will never credit Aaron for the Alexis fights.
I don't care what anyone tells me, not Pryor, not his fans, not people who were ringside.
There is NO WAY in hell 'ANYONE' could have tooken that right hand that Alexis landed in the 13th round. FUCK NO it's that simple....
Anyone who's REALLY seen Alexis career NOT just say "I have his whole career" or say "I've seen all of his fights"
Knows that the straight right hand was something special and anyone who took it flush that way almost never made it to the end.

I don't think Ricans comment was out of line and I also think he is entitled to post a comment anywhere he wishes to.
NO ONE HERE IS THE LAW AND NO ONE HERE CAN TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T POST. NO ONE!!!!!
It's not like his post was offensive to anyone. Last time I checked this same person that's crying wolf was using this same line himself:
"I'm entitled to my opinion arent I?"
So much for that comment.

Daxx would you not agree that if I made JCC Apreciation thread chances are the Meldrick Taylor fight will come up and Steele and King and Lou and he was beat by Pernell and LaPorte and on and on and on.
It's just the way it goes Daxx. Now I can def. understand that this is an appreciation thread and I see why it would bother you.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Mick as you know I'm a big Arguello fan. Thats one of the reason I like Saddo's so much, when I arrived here I presumed like many fans in my locality, none would have heard of Arguello. Then I arrived and yourself ICB nad I believe Daxx too werre enthusiasts and interested in Alexis.
So as a fan you know that Alexis was not what he once was when he fought Pryor, he was winding down and although he put up a great effort he never quite fired at the optimum level he fired at in previous fights. So I do give Pryor some props for beating one of the greatest Gentlemen ever to grace the sport.

In relation to Pryor's opposition. There was a lack of availability in terms of stellar competition at the time at 140. However, Pryor on numerous occassions called out the best at a higher weight in SRL.
Supplementary to that I feel a tie to Roy Jones is adequate point here. Roy beat every guy he could in Middle and SMW. However it was not who he beat at these weights that make him memorable. It was the nature of his victories which make him great. Others say that Tyson's early opposition (pre-Holyfield) were poor and sub-standard for an ATG. However, he beat them so impressively that he will always be remebered for his early ferocity.
I feel Pryor should be treated with a similar allowance, He fought everyone who he could (or who was granted him the opportunity) and virtually demolished everyone put in his path. All credit to Pryor, maybe not an ATG because of his lack of skill polish and finesse but certainly a great LWW because of his sheer ferocity and will to win.

[ICB]

Because its the same thing in every Aaron Pryor thread thats all people say about Pryor is the black bottle incident. And its obvious he was doing to annoy people.

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

After he had already commented on the thread about black bottle incident, he then says it 3 more times obviously being sarcastic and obviously trying to get a reaction.

Pryor was a great fighter and one of the best Jr Welterweights of all time, if you don't like Pryor then don't post in a Aaron Pryor appreciation thread simple. If i don't like a certain fighter and its an appreciation thread i don't post in the thread its that simple, because i don't want to offend anyone who is a fan. And i know you was implying me about *the opinion* part but thats totally different. Because when im in a debate with certain people not in appreciation thread and both sides make good points then me or whoever im debating with are entitled to our opinions. But if someone comes into a appreciation thread to get a reaction and posts 3 times about the black bottle incident to annoy people on purpose even Daxx thinks the same then thats not an opinion thats called being an a** IMO. If you can't see he was being sarcastic and trying to get a reaction with those comments then im speechless.

[DaxxKahn]

NO ONE HERE IS THE LAW AND NO ONE HERE CAN TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T POST. NO ONE!!!!!
It's not like his post was offensive to anyone. Last time I checked this same person that's crying wolf was using this same line himself:
"I'm entitled to my opinion arent I?"
So much for that comment.

Daxx would you not agree that if I made JCC Apreciation thread chances are the Meldrick Taylor fight will come up and Steele and King and Lou and he was beat by Pernell and LaPorte and on and on and on.
It's just the way it goes Daxx. Now I can def. understand that this is an appreciation thread and I see why it would bother you.

Because its the same thing in every Aaron Pryor thread thats all people say about Pryor is the black bottle incident. And its obvious he was doing to annoy people.

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

After he had already commented on the thread about black bottle incident, he then says it 3 more times obviously being sarcastic and obviously trying to get a reaction.

Pryor was a great fighter and one of the best Jr Welterweights of all time, if you don't like Pryor then don't post in a Aaron Pryor appreciation thread simple. If i don't like a certain fighter and its an appreciation thread i don't post in the thread its that simple, because i don't want to offend anyone who is a fan. And i know you was implying me about *the opinion* part but thats totally different. Because when im in a debate with certain people not in appreciation thread and both sides make good points then me or whoever im debating with are entitled to our opinions. But if someone comes into a appreciation thread to get a reaction and posts 3 times about the black bottle incident to annoy people on purpose even Daxx thinks the same then thats not an opinion thats called being an a** IMO. If you can't see he was being sarcastic and trying to get a reaction with those comments then im speechless.

Mick ICB pretty much sums it up...Hell I can care less if Rican or anyone else does not like Pryor or they do.....C'Mon now Mick you know me better then that...I am into a good debate on any fighter...I have argued my boy Lennox Lewis til I am blue in the face and will continue to...I don't get mad if people don't like him or do...He is the fighter I followed and supported...This was not really even an appreciation thread..I stated myself he is not the greatest 140lbr out there to ever compete he is was just an animal.....and you are right anyone can post anything they want to...that is what makes a forum quality...different opinions..especially this forum...and what I or ICB can not reply back to what Rican said?...It works both ways no?....BUT!!!! with that being said....

ICB nails it on the head...The comment was not made to debate...even from the first one where he said..The bottle give me the bottle..the black one....it was made just to be a smart ass and get a reaction...it is not the first time he has done it...and not on threads I started...he like to get reactions...simple as that...except this time two people said something to him...nothing more nothing less....

Has nothing to do with making a statement Mick it has to do with the reason behind the statement..there is a difference....

There are only 2 reasons I ever make comments like I did to posters no matter who they are...

1- they are saying stuff just to get a rise out of people

2-they say something about someones country or race in the comment

[ICB]

NO ONE HERE IS THE LAW AND NO ONE HERE CAN TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T POST. NO ONE!!!!!
It's not like his post was offensive to anyone. Last time I checked this same person that's crying wolf was using this same line himself:
"I'm entitled to my opinion arent I?"
So much for that comment.

Daxx would you not agree that if I made JCC Apreciation thread chances are the Meldrick Taylor fight will come up and Steele and King and Lou and he was beat by Pernell and LaPorte and on and on and on.
It's just the way it goes Daxx. Now I can def. understand that this is an appreciation thread and I see why it would bother you.

Because its the same thing in every Aaron Pryor thread thats all people say about Pryor is the black bottle incident. And its obvious he was doing to annoy people.

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

After he had already commented on the thread about black bottle incident, he then says it 3 more times obviously being sarcastic and obviously trying to get a reaction.

Pryor was a great fighter and one of the best Jr Welterweights of all time, if you don't like Pryor then don't post in a Aaron Pryor appreciation thread simple. If i don't like a certain fighter and its an appreciation thread i don't post in the thread its that simple, because i don't want to offend anyone who is a fan. And i know you was implying me about *the opinion* part but thats totally different. Because when im in a debate with certain people not in appreciation thread and both sides make good points then me or whoever im debating with are entitled to our opinions. But if someone comes into a appreciation thread to get a reaction and posts 3 times about the black bottle incident to annoy people on purpose even Daxx thinks the same then thats not an opinion thats called being an a** IMO. If you can't see he was being sarcastic and trying to get a reaction with those comments then im speechless.

Mick ICB pretty much sums it up...Hell I can care less if Rican or anyone else does not like Pryor or they do.....C'Mon now Mick you know me better then that...I am into a good debate on any fighter...I have argued my boy Lennox Lewis til I am blue in the face and will continue to...I don't get mad if people don't like him or do...He is the fighter I followed and supported...This was not really even an appreciation thread..I stated myself he is not the greatest 140lbr out there to ever compete he is was just an animal.....and you are right anyone can post anything they want to...that is what makes a forum quality...different opinions..especially this forum...and what I or ICB can not reply back to what Rican said?...It works both ways no?....BUT!!!! with that being said....

ICB nails it on the head...The comment was not made to debate...even from the first one where he said..The bottle give me the bottle..the black one....it was made just to be a smart a** and get a reaction...it is not the first time he has done it...and not on threads I started...he like to get reactions...simple as that...except this time two people said something to him...nothing more nothing less....

Has nothing to do with making a statement Mick it has to do with the reason behind the statement..there is a difference....

There are only 2 reasons I ever make comments like I did to posters no matter who they are...

1- they are saying stuff just to get a rise out of people

2-they say something about someones country or race in the comment

Spot on mate CC.

[DaxxKahn]

CC#1660 back to you Ice

[Rican]

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

ICB I knew there would be at least one guy who brought that up...or one guy who would base everything pryor did on his Arguello bouts

"Give me the one I mixed...the one I mixed!!"

You know i hate when people turn an Aaron Pryor thread into the Pryor vs Arguello controversy all the time. If you haven't got anything good to say about Pryor in a appreciation thread about him don't say anything at all.

OK, Pryor was indeed a beast. But...was it because of coke? Or something else in that bottle? Doubt, not hate or negativity, will always be on my mind when I think of Pryor due to what happened that night. It's not my fault. I am simply speaking the truth and nothing but.

Yeah because his whole career is based on a bottle that may or may not have existed....always a quality comment from you

Well, thanks, I'll just toot my own horn and say it was a quality comment from me. Think about it. I'm not basing Pryors whole career on one bottle. Don't put words in my mouth (speak for yourself). I'm simply saying that when I think of Pryor's greatness, I do it with a raised eyebrow. I can't help but be influenced by guilt by assocaitaion. I need not mention the dishonorable and downright immoral and CRIMINAL behavior of Pryor's trainer, Panama Lewis, in his career. Nor do I need to mention Luis Resto. Because of this, whenever I think of the great Aaron Pryor, I can't help but have a speck of doubt in my mind. What's so wrong about that?

No see that where you are wrong..you never mentioned anything but the bottle in your post...and in the second post all you mentioned was coke...so from those two post it is fair to assume you are basing everything on the bottle...oh Im sorry and Coke...pay attention to your own post before you start a new one and talk....

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

When you get out of bed in the morning do you say to yourself "I wonder how I can be an asshole today?"

Why do I have to be an "asshole" simply for expressing an opinion that Saddoboxing has given me the right to express? You have some serious issues Daxx. Your comment was incredibly sophomoric. Even if you were angered, you should have shown more class dude.

[CutMeMick]

NO ONE HERE IS THE LAW AND NO ONE HERE CAN TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T POST. NO ONE!!!!!
It's not like his post was offensive to anyone. Last time I checked this same person that's crying wolf was using this same line himself:
"I'm entitled to my opinion arent I?"
So much for that comment.

Daxx would you not agree that if I made JCC Apreciation thread chances are the Meldrick Taylor fight will come up and Steele and King and Lou and he was beat by Pernell and LaPorte and on and on and on.
It's just the way it goes Daxx. Now I can def. understand that this is an appreciation thread and I see why it would bother you.

Because its the same thing in every Aaron Pryor thread thats all people say about Pryor is the black bottle incident. And its obvious he was doing to annoy people.

Man, that Pryor was great, but that bottle (how can you "mix" water?), that coke, AND that trainer....I don't know....

After he had already commented on the thread about black bottle incident, he then says it 3 more times obviously being sarcastic and obviously trying to get a reaction.

Pryor was a great fighter and one of the best Jr Welterweights of all time, if you don't like Pryor then don't post in a Aaron Pryor appreciation thread simple. If i don't like a certain fighter and its an appreciation thread i don't post in the thread its that simple, because i don't want to offend anyone who is a fan. And i know you was implying me about *the opinion* part but thats totally different. Because when im in a debate with certain people not in appreciation thread and both sides make good points then me or whoever im debating with are entitled to our opinions. But if someone comes into a appreciation thread to get a reaction and posts 3 times about the black bottle incident to annoy people on purpose even Daxx thinks the same then thats not an opinion thats called being an a** IMO. If you can't see he was being sarcastic and trying to get a reaction with those comments then im speechless.

Mick ICB pretty much sums it up...Hell I can care less if Rican or anyone else does not like Pryor or they do.....C'Mon now Mick you know me better then that...I am into a good debate on any fighter...I have argued my boy Lennox Lewis til I am blue in the face and will continue to...I don't get mad if people don't like him or do...He is the fighter I followed and supported...This was not really even an appreciation thread..I stated myself he is not the greatest 140lbr out there to ever compete he is was just an animal.....and you are right anyone can post anything they want to...that is what makes a forum quality...different opinions..especially this forum...and what I or ICB can not reply back to what Rican said?...It works both ways no?....BUT!!!! with that being said....

ICB nails it on the head...The comment was not made to debate...even from the first one where he said..The bottle give me the bottle..the black one....it was made just to be a smart ass and get a reaction...it is not the first time he has done it...and not on threads I started...he like to get reactions...simple as that...except this time two people said something to him...nothing more nothing less....

Has nothing to do with making a statement Mick it has to do with the reason behind the statement..there is a difference....

There are only 2 reasons I ever make comments like I did to posters no matter who they are...

1- they are saying stuff just to get a rise out of people

2-they say something about someones country or race in the comment

I'll be as honest as I can be wit you Daxx, would it have not been anyone else here I myself would have mentioned the 'Bottle'.
But now that you clarify the Rican comment and why you feel he made that comment I see what you mean on Rican just posting it to stir things up I can def. understand that.

The other issue was that Rican was told if he didnt have anything good to say he shouldn't say anything at all.
Some people here wanna act like they're patroling the forum and posters need to go by his rules.
Ricans entitled to make posts if they are out of line I'm sure he will be contacted by someone here.
I just don't think it's right for anyone to tell someone 'Dont say anything' like if they are the authority here.

Suddenly I'm having flashes of a shit load of Ali threads where someone keeps getting in there and posting his routine over and over.
The same thing can be said about Ali threads they start off as appreciation threads and some how it turns into a 'Salt' debate and 'Gif Decisions'
Give me a break this a discussion board you don't agree with someones comment then overlook it and pay no attention to it OR you can reply and be ready for a debate. For the most part if I read something that I think is absurd I try to ignore it but there are the few occasions where some people are just out of line and need to be put in their place as some of you have seen.

Anyway.... Daxx all is well and I see what you mean about Ricans comment having the intentions to stir things up.

Peace,
Mick